MLB Baseball 2009 Season Thread

greggsand · Post by **greggsand** » Thu May 07, 2009 2:19 pm

Eh, I'm reserving any "F'N CHEATER" judgment until we know what he took. Baseball says isn't wasn't roids, but on the banned list. Maybe it medical weed or something hip like ecstasy - that would explain a lot actually...

lexbur · Post by **lexbur** » Thu May 07, 2009 2:23 pm

greggsand wrote:Eh, I'm reserving any "F'N CHEATER" judgment until we know what he took. Baseball says isn't wasn't roids, but on the banned list. Maybe it medical weed or something hip like ecstasy - that would explain a lot actually...

Yaah, weed (medically prescribed or otherwise) is the first thing I thought of. I still can't believe he'd use anything performance-enhancing, unless you're talking about in the bedroom, which if it's on that list of banned substances would be SO STUPID it could only be classified as "Manny being Manny".

greggsand · Post by **greggsand** » Thu May 07, 2009 3:26 pm

"Two sources told ESPN that Ramirez used a women's fertility drug — HCG, human chorionic gonadotropin. That sort of drug can be used by steroid users after they complete cycles to get their bodies to produce testosterone naturally again."

Um, well, that sounds kind of 'cheater-esque'. Manny Wig prices are about to be real cheap around here...

sportdan30 · Post by **sportdan30** » Thu May 07, 2009 3:35 pm

I'll say it. He's a f'n cheater. Maybe he's wears the baggy uniform for a reason. He wants to come off as appearing lazy and not caring about his body, just relying on pure skills. What a fraud.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Thu May 07, 2009 4:18 pm

greggsand wrote:"Two sources told ESPN that Ramirez used a women's fertility drug — HCG, human chorionic gonadotropin.

He was just trying to get knocked up...

ansonlee · Post by **ansonlee** » Thu May 07, 2009 6:27 pm

sportdan30 wrote:I'll say it. He's a f'n cheater. Maybe he's wears the baggy uniform for a reason. He wants to come off as appearing lazy and not caring about his body, just relying on pure skills. What a fraud.

Will you say the same thing when Puljos is exposed? You know it'll happen, just a matter of time.

bulls23 · Post by **bulls23** » Thu May 07, 2009 6:50 pm

ansonlee wrote:
sportdan30 wrote:I'll say it. He's a f'n cheater. Maybe he's wears the baggy uniform for a reason. He wants to come off as appearing lazy and not caring about his body, just relying on pure skills. What a fraud.

Will you say the same thing when Puljos is exposed? You know it'll happen, just a matter of time.

Pujols is really the only superstar left who's not a cheater. And if he's ever found out to be I'll quit being a Cardinals fan.

ansonlee · Post by **ansonlee** » Thu May 07, 2009 7:10 pm

they all cheated. Selig FEhr covered it up. Quit the game now, only way to fix it. Sad truth.

greggsand · Post by **greggsand** » Thu May 07, 2009 7:13 pm

bulls23 wrote:
ansonlee wrote:
sportdan30 wrote:I'll say it. He's a f'n cheater. Maybe he's wears the baggy uniform for a reason. He wants to come off as appearing lazy and not caring about his body, just relying on pure skills. What a fraud.
Will you say the same thing when Puljos is exposed? You know it'll happen, just a matter of time.
Pujols is really the only superstar left who's not a cheater. And if he's ever found out to be I'll quit being a Cardinals fan.

I'd just shrug my shoulders, be bummed, and move on.

I'd say there's still a few possible future Hall of Famers "left" to be exposed: Jeter, Randy Johnson, Pujols, Trevor Hoffman and maybe a few others (Ortiz?) still playing.

Diablo25 · Post by **Diablo25** » Thu May 07, 2009 7:42 pm

bulls23 wrote:
ansonlee wrote:
sportdan30 wrote:I'll say it. He's a f'n cheater. Maybe he's wears the baggy uniform for a reason. He wants to come off as appearing lazy and not caring about his body, just relying on pure skills. What a fraud.

Will you say the same thing when Puljos is exposed? You know it'll happen, just a matter of time.
Pujols is really the only superstar left who's not a cheater. And if he's ever found out to be I'll quit being a Cardinals fan.

There are plenty of guys that are clean. Ryan Howard being one on my squad.

MUTTS · Post by **MUTTS** » Thu May 07, 2009 10:33 pm

I love how Manny spins it to blame his personal physician. Funny thing is...I'm board certified in two specialties...my wife is a different sppecialty and between us we have never seen a patient on HCG ever. He's guilty as sin.

Reminds of when I believe it was the Carolina Panthers were all getting drugs from some doc. Very very few people are actually knowledgable enough to prescribe the roids in that form....its not common stuff. Prednisone, dexamethasone, solumedrol, cortisone--these are the steroids that most of us use very regularly....not the performance enhancing stuff.

Tony

greggsand · Post by **greggsand** » Fri May 08, 2009 1:38 am

The wacky part is that manny returns BEFORE the all star game. It'll be interesting to see how the voting goes. I imagine IF he somehow was voted in, he'd decline the appearance... but then again, it's manny.

IF he is voted in, it def supports my theory that the average doesn't care (esp the 30 & under crowd).

sportdan30 · Post by **sportdan30** » Fri May 08, 2009 10:01 am

2004 *

2007 *

Red Sox Champions? Pfft.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Fri May 08, 2009 11:45 am

sportdan30 wrote:2004 *

Sour grapes.

sportdan30 · Post by **sportdan30** » Fri May 08, 2009 12:45 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:
sportdan30 wrote:2004 *
Sour grapes.

True.

TheGamer · Post by **TheGamer** » Fri May 08, 2009 2:53 pm

sportdan30 wrote:2004 *

2007 *

Red Sox Champions? Pfft.

I wish the Cubs roid freak would have got them a world series.

greggsand · Post by **greggsand** » Fri May 08, 2009 3:16 pm

greggsand wrote:The wacky part is that manny returns BEFORE the all star game. It'll be interesting to see how the voting goes. I imagine IF he somehow was voted in, he'd decline the appearance... but then again, it's manny.

IF he is voted in, it def supports my theory that the average doesn't care (esp the 30 & under crowd).

(I love quoting myself

) The more I think about it, the more I think people should vote manny into the all-star game. Turn it into a real circus. Imagine the shots of Selig slumping in his seat as Manny is announced. good times.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Fri May 08, 2009 5:21 pm

http://www.pujolsfan.com/Albert-Pujols- ... y-2007.jpg

Skinless chicken and plenty of rest!

AJColossal · Post by **AJColossal** » Sat May 09, 2009 1:00 pm

Amazing.

Artificial enhancement or not -- baseball players simply did not look like that up until the last 20 years.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Sat May 09, 2009 1:22 pm

I'm a huge baseball fan and really hope Pujols, Howard, Big Poppy, etc. are clean. But anyone that is *sure* that they are is just being a homer (and I would probably be the same way). Andy Pettite was using PED for God's sake. Who would have ever suspected that?

It's not that I don't care about the players using PEDs, but I'm just done wasting a lot of energy over it. I love baseball and I'm not going to let a few idiots ruin it for me.

greggsand · Post by **greggsand** » Sat May 09, 2009 2:21 pm

I love it. A-rod comes back after an off-season roid scandal, hits a HR (on the road) and is celebrated. Just shows that most people could care less.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Sat May 09, 2009 8:02 pm

Leebo33 wrote:I'm a huge baseball fan and really hope Pujols, Howard, Big Poppy, etc. are clean. But anyone that is *sure* that they are is just being a homer (and I would probably be the same way). Andy Pettite was using PED for God's sake. Who would have ever suspected that?

It's not that I don't care about the players using PEDs, but I'm just done wasting a lot of energy over it. I love baseball and I'm not going to let a few idiots ruin it for me.

I feel the same way, Leebo. The abuse was rampant enough that I don't think it really gave any teams a distinct advantage. It sullies the records more than the games, but I don't watch baseball (or any sport) for the records.

Hopefully a few more Manny-level suspensions will send a message that the days of free-for-all chemical abuse are over and guys will face consequences if they get caught. It certainly won't stop the abuse but I think it will reduce it considerably, especially among players that can already hit 30-40 dingers a season without PEDs.

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Mon May 11, 2009 4:10 pm

I thought this was a pretty good article. I had never even though of someone switch pitching.

How do you beat a guy who throws righty and lefty? You don't.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=4145564

fsquid · Post by **fsquid** » Mon May 11, 2009 4:43 pm

He got beat in college.

Slumberland · Post by **Slumberland** » Tue May 12, 2009 11:28 am

I figure most of the current big boppers will just continue to use HGH until the union approves blood testing, or they come up with a urine test... either of which could easily be years away. Why wouldn't they?

The MLB network has been a funny reminder of what baseball players used to look like, with all the games from the '80's that they've been putting on in the daytime.