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calling out athletics, and most notably MLB on their steroid policy. It truly is a joke. Of course no comment from the players association.
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Hmm, even Bush supporters were scratching their heads at that one.
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<BR>The best they could do was point out that he did own the Texas Rangers at one point.
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<BR>But others thought he slipped that stuff in while talking about the marriage stuff, because if he only talked about marriage as values, he would appear to be kissing too much religious right ass.

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Next year:
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<BR>"How can we ask our teachers and young people to live up to concrete academic standards, as outlined in my No Child Left Behind bill, when Major League Baseball continues to have an unstandard strikezone? Game to game, batter to batter, pitch to pitch, it seems that balls and strikes are called at the whim of the umpire behind the plate. My Fair Ball initiative would make it a misdemeanor to call any pitch below the knees, above the chest, and outside of the strikezone a strike. This will send an inspirational message to our children to study hard for the SATs" (applause)

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Hmm ... we have a failing war in Iraq based on unjustified reasons (find any of those threatening WMD´s yet?), a growing budget deficit, further stripping of our civil liberties, a ridiculous new immigration proposal, more unemployment and a stagnant economy, yet steroid abuse in baseball was part of the State of the Union address?
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<BR>Oh, I was glad to see the "fiscally conservative" Bush propose to expand damn near every Federal program that gains votes AND send men to the Moon and Mars yet make the tax cuts permanent. Do the math, moron: How do you expect to pay for this?
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<BR>The State of the Union speech was nothing more than political pandering and rule by divisiveness, something Bush has perfected over the last three years. America is the most polar it has been since the Civil Rights Act was enacted in 1964. But the polarization before ´64 was due to race; now it´s due to income bracket and Bush´s brand of "patriotism."
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<BR>I say the same thing about Bush that Nancy Reagan said about drugs in her foolish ad campaign of 15 years ago: Just Say No.
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<BR>Lord, I hope the Libertarians nominate a good candidate this summer. Even John Kerry is getting more interesting to me as I read more about him, incredible as it is for me to even think of voting for a Democrat.
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I agree it was a bit strange for him to mention it in the State of the Union Address, but I´m happy this issue isn´t going to just fade away. It got a majority of the sports talk radios talking about it. When you have athletes making millions of dollars, and possilby hurting the integrity of the game, I think it needs mentioning. Especially when many athletes are looked upon as role models to children.
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Dan:
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<BR>Compared to all of the other pressing issues in this country and the world, steroid abuse in baseball isn´t even on the radar screen. It´s not even a blip in the distance.
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<BR>Get some perspective, mate!
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Yeah, great to see that our fearless leader has his priorities in order. Definitely one of the key issues of our time. Sigh.
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I totally agree there are more pressing issues and perhaps he could and should have discussed this topic at another place and time, but for christ sakes, he only touched upon it for 30 seconds. Obviously, it´s not a huge US issue, but I do think he was trying to appeal to the younger generation. Maybe he swung and missed, but I´m sure there were some children watching the speech with their parents. Not to mention, there were some pro athletes in attendance (namely Tom Brady from the Pats)
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<BR>I´m not defending the man by any means when it comes to the main issues that´s affecting our country, but is it so wrong to briefly mention something that catches the attention of of so many people? Young and old.
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Dan:
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<BR>"American Idol" had 28 million viewers in its season debut Monday night on FOX. It captured the minds and eyes of Americans, young and old.
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<BR>But that wasn´t in the State of the Union speech, thankfully, and nor should a frivolous mention of the steroid problem in sports. I´m surprised Bush didn´t offer a few billion to solve that problem with no way to pay for it, like he does with nearly other problem.
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<BR>It´s a matter of priorities, and the steroid problem in baseball is not a pressing priority for the guy who doesn´t have a job or for the U.S. Army private who wonders if the Iraqi approaching him is wired with bombs ready to detonate.
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American Idol ROXXXXSSSS.

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"but I´m sure there were some children watching the speech with their parents"
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<BR>This may seem callous, but I bet most kids who watched this and also PAID attention are NOT the ones that are likely going to consider using steroids. Stereotypical... sure. But am I too far off the mark?
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DB:
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<BR>I watched "Idol" for the first time ever Monday night. Gotta love that DVR. <IMG SRC="images/forum/icons/icon_smile.gif">
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<BR>The show was entertaining for about 15 minutes. Then it became a tedious exercise of knowing right off the bat what Simon, Paula and the other dude were going to say. Pretty predictable and got old fast.
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<BR>But I can see why many people like it ... I´m just stoked for the second season debut of "Chappelle´s Show" tonight on Comedy Central! The DVR hard drive will whir during that half-hour!
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I can´t disagree with anything any of you have said, but I will say this. Your typical 14-17 year old watches Sportscenter more frequently than the Nightly News with Tom Brokaw or whomever. Therefore, they´re more apt to follow the goings on of the major sports rather than the war in Iraq, healthcare issues, education, etc. Many of them probably could care less about these topics. Sad, but true.
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<BR>I´m fairly certain more kids would be angered and saddened to hear one of their "sports heros" was found to test positive with steroids rather than the report that healthcare is at an all time high. In one ear out the other. It´s reality. I do believe Bush was trying to appeal to the younger generation by briefly touching on the topic of steroids. Each presidential campaign, the candidates make an effort to attempt to appeal to the younger generation. Whether that´s just something the public wants to hear can be debated. By BRIEFLY mentioning the ramifications of steroids (an illegal substance) concerning the grand ol´ game of baseball, I don´t think he overstepped the line.
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<BR>Furthermore, you´re also looking at the strongest union in the country...the MLB players association. Why ignore a serious issue such as this?
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<BR>In the end, I agree it´s not top level priority but it´s still a problem in our schools, in our gyms, and should be considered a major health issue. Kids are taking this illegal drug because they see major athletes growing by leaps and bounds.
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"hmm... we have a failing war in Iraq based on unjustified reasons (find any of those threatening WMD´s yet?)."
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<BR>PK...a failing war?? How so? I assure you that the men and women fighting it by no means think they are failing.
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<BR>Take the politics ut of why we went to war and look at the sheer logistics of what our troops have accomplished once they were orderd to go. Amazing is the word I come up with,not failure.
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<BR>The nation building plan that Bush has in mind for Iraq might fail. But the war fought by the troops was an overwhelming success.IMO.
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<BR>On another note,did you listen to Dave Chappell on Howard Stern today? He was funny as hell!!!
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Jackdog,
<BR>The war in Iraq was never supposed to be this hard. We were supposed to be liberators.
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<BR>I´m not going to go so far and say it´s a failure because it´s still a work in progress. However I will say that the war with Iraq is like Mike Tyson fighting Michael Jackson, you aren´t supposed to let Jacko, get a few jabs in.
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<BR>Here´s the points of the speech that worried me.
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<BR>Abesolutely no bipartisian spirit. Either you are with Bush or you are a traitor.
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<BR>He led off with the patriot act. I need to learn about the patriot act but I don´t like that fact that our country has tacken the position that, "If you don´t have anything to hid, don´t worry". That´s not what the Bill of Rights says.
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<BR>He´s about small potatos politics. There´s no real leadership there. It´s all about helping the wealthy elites. Let´s face it why are the only first world country that doesn´t offer health care to middle class families. We don´t offer government subsidized college tuition. This goes along with health care but we force the middle class to absorb huge cost of profiteering health care providers, insurance companies and drug makers.
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<BR>However this combative attitude towards the democrats might backfire. Right know he´s doing everything to unite the Democrats and the worst that´s the worst thing he could do.
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Jack:
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<BR>It may sound hypocritical, but I support the troops but oppose the war.
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<BR>Yes, the troops have done wondrous work in awful circumstances. But I consider this war a failure because one, it was started under the false pretense of weapons of mass destruction being littered around Iraq. So far, we´ve found nothing.
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<BR>That´s not an indictment of our troops -- hardly. It´s further reaffirmation in my mind that WMD´s aren´t there and were moved years ago to Jordan, Syria and other Arab nations friendly to Saddam. Who knows? Some of Saddam´s WMD´s may have been moved to Libya; hence Gadafi´s desire to destroy his (and Saddam´s) WMD´s now.
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<BR>Two, I think this war is a failure because it has diverted resources and focus on our primary battle against terrorism. I don´t feel any safer now that Saddam has been removed from power. I would feel a lot safer if we got Bin Laden.
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<BR>I´m a big-time supporter of the War on Terror. I´m a big-time foe of the War on Iraq. They are separate, in my opinion, as I have seen no direct links between Saddam and any attacks on American soil or American interests abroad. You´ve been over there, so you know more than me.
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<BR>But I´m still convinced that this war is the political PR sales job of the century. It never would have happened without the Bush Administration being able to use Sept. 11 to frighten Americans into believing its political bullshit even though Saddam had been committing atrocities, including the gassing of Kurds, for years before Sept. 11, 2001.
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<BR>This war wasn´t about WMD´s. It was about Bush finishing Daddy´s work and about Bush´s new, unstated policy of American imperialism in the Mideast. If he had just leveled with Americans about that and said, "Hey, I´m sending us to war because this guy must go" right from the get-go instead of the WMD´s ruse, I would feel differently. But this war was justified to Americans with a lie.
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<BR>That doesn´t mean that our military isn´t doing great work over there -- it is. But the reason it was sent there was wrong, and it will take one massive revelation to convince me otherwise.
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<BR>In an analogy, the U.S. military fought its ass off, and I admire its fight, in Vietnam for more than 10 years. But we never should have been there in the first place. That doesn´t demean the work of the military; it indicts the political decisions that sent us to war.
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<BR>The U.S. military is doing a fine job despite stupid civilian leadership in the Pentagon and the White House. That probably was unclear in my original post.
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<BR>My problem isn´t with the military; it´s with Bush and his cronies that are using war to grant favors to Haliburton and other business friends and also wave the flag and try to guarantee re-election. After all, if you oppose the war and the President, you´re un-American, according to Bush disciples.
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<BR>Meanwhile, dissent to the "status quo" was the basis of this country´s founding, so the Founding Fathers are spinning in their graves.
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<BR>This is why you and I are buds: We can totally disagree on a topic yet still motherf*ck each other on the phone, laughing up a storm. I´m very grateful for that.
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<BR>I missed the Chappelle bit.
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I´m not going to go so far and say it´s a failure because it´s still a work in progress. However I will say that the war with Iraq is like Mike Tyson fighting Michael Jackson, you aren´t supposed to let Jacko, get a few jabs in.
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<BR>JRod whenever real bullets are involved anything can happen. I´ll bet Russia thought Afganistan was going to be a cakewalk and look what happened.
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<BR>Same with the US in Somalia,s*** happens in war. A jab to me would be a counter attack by Saddam´s loyalist and a city or town being overthrown. To this point of the war that hasn´t happened.<BR><BR><font size=1>[ This message was edited by: JackDog on 21-01-2004 15:49 ]</font>
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This is why you and I are buds: We can totally disagree on a topic yet still motherf*ck each other on the phone, laughing up a storm. I´m very grateful for that.
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I might as well throw my 2 cents in.
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<BR>I would have to agree that we (american public) have not been given enough reason to kick the crap outta Iraq in the way its being done. You send some SF guys on search and destroy missions w/out public approval, not a problem, but when you´re shipping Johnny Appleseed to war because you think Saddam sucks or you want to make Daddy proud or whatever, I have a problem.
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<BR>I know politicans (at that level) have no idea what commitment the men and women of our armed forces have. They are willing to go to a foreign land, fight and die, for what? Bush? Sadamm´s suckiness? No, because they love their country with all their heart. They love it so much they are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice...no matter what the reasons. I think if politcians actually thought about the people that elected them and not how to one-up the other side, we´d be in a better spot right now.
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<BR>I´m no dove, PK can attest to that, but sending our own out to die without clear and convincing evidence is f-ed up. Now, saying that I see how some people don´t support the stance of I support our troops, but not the war. I support our troops, and I hope the blast the f*ck out those c*cksuckers, but I want them home where they belong. Or at least finishing the job (afghanistan). Finish one job, before you start another. This isn´t WWII where we have the man-power to support multiple fronts...and that starts to get off topis so that´s my 2 cents and change.
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"I know politicans (at that level) have no idea what commitment the men and women of our armed forces have. They are willing to go to a foreign land, fight and die, for what? Bush? Sadamm´s suckiness? No, because they love their country with all their heart. They love it so much they are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice...no matter what the reasons. I think if politcians actually thought about the people that elected them and not how to one-up the other side, we´d be in a better spot right now."
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<BR> AMEN to that!!
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<BR>"I´m no dove, PK can attest to that, but sending our own out to die without clear and convincing evidence is f-ed up. Now, saying that I see how some people don´t support the stance of I support our troops, but not the war. I support our troops, and I hope the blast the f*ck out those c*cksuckers, but I want them home where they belong. Or at least finishing the job (afghanistan). Finish one job, before you start another. This isn´t WWII where we have the man-power to support multiple fronts...and that starts to get off topis so that´s my 2 cents and change."
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<BR>I agree with that comment to a point. I went back in to go to Afghanistan,not Iraq. But I was sent to N.Iraq after only 2 weeks in Afghanistan.
<BR>After getting to Iraq I was totally into what my job was. I could care less about Bush. I only gave a s*** about the men I served with and hoping we all would do a great job while not getting killed.
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<BR>The point about finishing up with one conflict before we jump into another sounds great to the soldier´s. But its not even close to happening. Hell we still have troops in Germany,S.Korea, Bosnia ,fu*k the list goes on. It´s all politics brother. And the soldiers are the pawns of power hungry asswipes. IMO.
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My favorite part of the speech was the unscripted applause from Democrats after he stated that the Patriot Act was scheduled to expire next year. Bush seemed momentarily taken aback.
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<BR>This sense of eternal warfare that Bush is trying to push on us is so Orwellian and so transparent, it drives me nuts. How do we win a war on terrorism? Beyond the capture of those responsible for 9/11, it would seem that the way to fight terrorism is vigilance and smarter monitoring of the appropriate channels... not protracted and nebulous military action. It´s like declaring war on unhappiness. How do you declare war on something that will always exist?
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<BR>As for the Patriot Act, how long until the ability to freely and unconstitutionally cull information from American citizens is used against opponents of the administration as opposed to opponents of the country? I don´t see how any good comes of it, and I pray that it doesn´t get renewed. Reports suggest that the signs were there pre-9/11 that we were in danger of a major attack. They just weren´t read correctly. Has the Patriot Act improved the quality of information coming in, or has it simply increased the volume, making it more difficult to discern what´s important and what isn´t?
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<BR>I also think the name is insidious. They clearly named the Patriot Act in such a fashion so as to question it is to be cast in an un-patriotic light. To quote Bob Dole, "where´s the outrage?"

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That was a dumb thing to have in a State of the Union adress. Not good "strategory"
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<BR>Since I want give equal time.
<BR>That Dean guy cheering his own demise was pretty dumb too.
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<BR>I pretty much hate all politicians.
<BR>They are phonies.
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In ranking the theater of the absurd, Dean´s speech Monday night in Iowa ranks right up there with Steve Ballmer´s infamous "Monkey Boy" speech to Microsoft employees a few years ago.
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<BR>No way Dean has the temperment to be the leader of the free world. Not even close. He reminds me of an enraged football coach or an arrogant frat boy riling at rival chapters during rush week.
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<BR>Jack-off. Total jack-off.
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