NBA Season 2019/20
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Re: NBA Season 2018/19
Butler to Philly for 3 players (Saric, Covington and Bayless) and a 2022 2nd rd pick. CBS Sports is already declaring the Sixers as Elite in the East. Well the Celtics have been playing non-elite BB and the only really Elite team are the Toronto Raptors. Honestly i'm glad he's not headed to Miami. He is talented no doubt but man does he have Thibs mileage on him. He was recently complaining about Thibs playing him 41 minutes in a game.
At 34 if he's even remotely the same player at that age Philly will be on the hook for at least $40 plus million the last two years of his contract. I don't know if he's worth $190 million. Nice pickup for the Sixers right now but be careful what you ask for because although he's talented, he's a lightning rod and can be disruptive if things don't go right.
At 34 if he's even remotely the same player at that age Philly will be on the hook for at least $40 plus million the last two years of his contract. I don't know if he's worth $190 million. Nice pickup for the Sixers right now but be careful what you ask for because although he's talented, he's a lightning rod and can be disruptive if things don't go right.
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No love for the Bucks as elite, Rod? They just beat the Warriors by 20 in Oakland. Draymond was out for GS, but that was still a statement win.
There are four elite teams in the East -- Toronto, Philly, Boston and Milwaukee. Significant drop-off after that.
Don't sleep on Milwaukee. Far more to that team than Giannis. Budd is an excellent coach, Middleton is one of the more underrated players in the NBA, and Henson, Brogdon, Lopez, Bledsoe and Ilyasova are solid NBA players. Plus Connaughton and DeVincenzo give a nice boost deep from the bench.
There are four elite teams in the East -- Toronto, Philly, Boston and Milwaukee. Significant drop-off after that.
Don't sleep on Milwaukee. Far more to that team than Giannis. Budd is an excellent coach, Middleton is one of the more underrated players in the NBA, and Henson, Brogdon, Lopez, Bledsoe and Ilyasova are solid NBA players. Plus Connaughton and DeVincenzo give a nice boost deep from the bench.
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I forgot about Milwaukee and the Greek Freak but still it appears the only really Elite team atm that can go to the NBA Finals in the East, is Toronto. Although it’s still early in the season, I can’t see any of the other teams beating Toronto. That said a lot can change but I definitely can’t wait to see Toronto and Philly play.pk500 wrote:No love for the Bucks as elite, Rod? They just beat the Warriors by 20 in Oakland. Draymond was out for GS, but that was still a statement win.
There are four elite teams in the East -- Toronto, Philly, Boston and Milwaukee. Significant drop-off after that.
Don't sleep on Milwaukee. Far more to that team than Giannis. Budd is an excellent coach, Middleton is one of the more underrated players in the NBA, and Henson, Brogdon, Lopez, Bledsoe and Ilyasova are solid NBA players. Plus Connaughton and DeVincenzo give a nice boost deep from the bench.
Re: NBA Season 2018/19
Long season left.
Hard to draw conclusions from just a dozen games.
There was an ebb and flow last season. Boston started out hot, stalled when Kyrie got hurt and then got hot in the playoffs.
Philly finished the season strong and then had its flaws exposed in one series.
Philly may not necessarily sign Butler unless they get farther than last year.
It’s a big FA market so they may want to keep their powder dry.
Hard to draw conclusions from just a dozen games.
There was an ebb and flow last season. Boston started out hot, stalled when Kyrie got hurt and then got hot in the playoffs.
Philly finished the season strong and then had its flaws exposed in one series.
Philly may not necessarily sign Butler unless they get farther than last year.
It’s a big FA market so they may want to keep their powder dry.
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What did Philly see in Markelle Fultz? I watched the game last night between the Sixers and Miami and Fultz has got to have one of the more unconventional shots in the NBA. His FT mechanics are cringe worthy. I can't see this ending well with Butler getting all over teammates who can't shoot the ball.
After watching the game last night, the Butler pick was the right move for them. Ben Simmonds can't shoot either unless he's at close range. The only guys who can shoot 3's are Embiid and Reddick.
After watching the game last night, the Butler pick was the right move for them. Ben Simmonds can't shoot either unless he's at close range. The only guys who can shoot 3's are Embiid and Reddick.
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Before Fultz got hurt he was one of the most dynamic guards to come out of college in quite some time. Something happened to him...just not sure what. Mentally or physically he still doesn't look right. I'm sure he's going to get traded and someone is going to take a shot on him. We'll see.Rodster wrote:What did Philly see in Markelle Fultz? I watched the game last night between the Sixers and Miami and Fultz has got to have one of the more unconventional shots in the NBA. His FT mechanics are cringe worthy. I can't see this ending well with Butler getting all over teammates who can't shoot the ball.
After watching the game last night, the Butler pick was the right move for them. Ben Simmonds can't shoot either unless he's at close range. The only guys who can shoot 3's are Embiid and Reddick.
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I wasn't aware he got injured and really never paid attention to him. It sounds like another Pat Riley/Miami reclamation project.dbdynsty25 wrote:Before Fultz got hurt he was one of the most dynamic guards to come out of college in quite some time. Something happened to him...just not sure what. Mentally or physically he still doesn't look right. I'm sure he's going to get traded and someone is going to take a shot on him. We'll see.Rodster wrote:What did Philly see in Markelle Fultz? I watched the game last night between the Sixers and Miami and Fultz has got to have one of the more unconventional shots in the NBA. His FT mechanics are cringe worthy. I can't see this ending well with Butler getting all over teammates who can't shoot the ball.
After watching the game last night, the Butler pick was the right move for them. Ben Simmonds can't shoot either unless he's at close range. The only guys who can shoot 3's are Embiid and Reddick.
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His rookie year he played in 14 games...total. Had a shoulder injury which made him alter his shot. That's why the Sixers shut him down. Never been the same.Rodster wrote:I wasn't aware he got injured and really never paid attention to him. It sounds like another Pat Riley/Miami reclamation project.
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Lonzo was drafted #2 in that draft class and his shot is busted too.
Josh Jackson at #4, another bricklayer who’s losing playing time already early in his second season.
Josh Jackson at #4, another bricklayer who’s losing playing time already early in his second season.
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Fultz suffered his shoulder injury due to changing his shot mechanics leading into the Draft. I don't know who his advisers are, but they're morons. Unconventional long-range jumpers that go in count just as much as silky-smooth threes by Curry and KD.Rodster wrote:I wasn't aware he got injured and really never paid attention to him. It sounds like another Pat Riley/Miami reclamation project.dbdynsty25 wrote:Before Fultz got hurt he was one of the most dynamic guards to come out of college in quite some time. Something happened to him...just not sure what. Mentally or physically he still doesn't look right. I'm sure he's going to get traded and someone is going to take a shot on him. We'll see.Rodster wrote:What did Philly see in Markelle Fultz? I watched the game last night between the Sixers and Miami and Fultz has got to have one of the more unconventional shots in the NBA. His FT mechanics are cringe worthy. I can't see this ending well with Butler getting all over teammates who can't shoot the ball.
After watching the game last night, the Butler pick was the right move for them. Ben Simmonds can't shoot either unless he's at close range. The only guys who can shoot 3's are Embiid and Reddick.
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Lonzo never had a good shot at UCLA. Fultz could shoot at Washington, and then some "swami" in his crew convinced him he needed to change his mechanics to be a good shooter in the NBA. Fultz obliged and got hurt.wco81 wrote:Lonzo was drafted #2 in that draft class and his shot is busted too.
Josh Jackson at #4, another bricklayer who’s losing playing time already early in his second season.
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He shot 41% in college from 3.
But shot under 65% FT. That may be a tell.
But shot under 65% FT. That may be a tell.
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The new freedom of movement rules is beginning to suck big time. How's this for a call, roughly 2 secs left in the 1st qtr between the Lakers and Heat. KCP is behind the 3pt line. Tyler Johnson jumps straight up in the air and gives KCP ample space, he's just trying to obstruct his view. KCP then shoots the ball and leans his body in and towards Johnson and makes contact with TJ. TJ gets called for the foul and KCP shoots three FT's.
Man, that just makes me want to go on a XXXIV classic rant
Man, that just makes me want to go on a XXXIV classic rant
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Agree. A defender has a right to his vertical aerial space, too.Rodster wrote:The new freedom of movement rules is beginning to suck big time. How's this for a call, roughly 2 secs left in the 1st qtr between the Lakers and Heat. KCP is behind the 3pt line. Tyler Johnson jumps straight up in the air and gives KCP ample space, he's just trying to obstruct his view. KCP then shoots the ball and leans his body in and towards Johnson and makes contact with TJ. TJ gets called for the foul and KCP shoots three FT's.
Man, that just makes me want to go on a XXXIV classic rant
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Probably in the playoffs, these new rules will be discarded.
Not officially but the way they will be applied.
Not officially but the way they will be applied.
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My biggest beef in the NBA are the officials. Drives me up the wall how they blow the superstars and anticipate fouls that never end up happening.pk500 wrote:Agree. A defender has a right to his vertical aerial space, too.Rodster wrote:The new freedom of movement rules is beginning to suck big time. How's this for a call, roughly 2 secs left in the 1st qtr between the Lakers and Heat. KCP is behind the 3pt line. Tyler Johnson jumps straight up in the air and gives KCP ample space, he's just trying to obstruct his view. KCP then shoots the ball and leans his body in and towards Johnson and makes contact with TJ. TJ gets called for the foul and KCP shoots three FT's.
Man, that just makes me want to go on a XXXIV classic rant
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Move over Embiid, there's a new sheriff in town and his name is Butler. So it appears Embiid is a little perturbed to say the least that he's been assigned the role to stay away from the basket and create space for the slasher Jimmy Butler. Wait a minute, isn't that what Embiid does well? He has an outside game, can attack the rim and slash to the rim. It looks like Brett Brown just wants Embiid to concentrate on his outside game. So now that role looks to have been given to J.B. I'm curious to see how Embiid handles this and whether he gets pissed off and decides he too wants to leave?
Quite a few notable sports writers were also curious to see how the Butler marriage would work out. I'm glad he stayed away from Miami.
Quite a few notable sports writers were also curious to see how the Butler marriage would work out. I'm glad he stayed away from Miami.
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Butler has been awesome since arriving...both play wise and teammate wise. Embiid’s role has changed, it will evolve and he will be fine. He is the most important piece.
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Problem is Simmons is not a threat to score outside the paint and that is where Embid is most efficient.
Butler gives them another scorer but he's not going to give the team spacing. He also likes to post from about 15 feet out or be a threat to go to the rack.
Sixers played the best at the end of last season when Bellinelli and Irsan gave them shooting from the outside but Celtics exploited the fact that they along with Reddick couldn't take their wings off the dribble.
Big decision looms at end of season on whether to sign Butler but if they end up a top 4 seed and at least get to the second round and are competitive, how can they not sign him?
If they hadn't made the trade, they weren't going to do as well as last season, though Wolves playing well with Covington and Saric now.
Butler gives them another scorer but he's not going to give the team spacing. He also likes to post from about 15 feet out or be a threat to go to the rack.
Sixers played the best at the end of last season when Bellinelli and Irsan gave them shooting from the outside but Celtics exploited the fact that they along with Reddick couldn't take their wings off the dribble.
Big decision looms at end of season on whether to sign Butler but if they end up a top 4 seed and at least get to the second round and are competitive, how can they not sign him?
If they hadn't made the trade, they weren't going to do as well as last season, though Wolves playing well with Covington and Saric now.
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Embiid is not most efficient from outside the paint. He has incredible touch from the perimeter for a 7’2” C but his bread and butter is on the block and his mid range game.wco81 wrote:Problem is Simmons is not a threat to score outside the paint and that is where Embid is most efficient.
Butler gives them another scorer but he's not going to give the team spacing. He also likes to post from about 15 feet out or be a threat to go to the rack.
Sixers played the best at the end of last season when Bellinelli and Irsan gave them shooting from the outside but Celtics exploited the fact that they along with Reddick couldn't take their wings off the dribble.
Big decision looms at end of season on whether to sign Butler but if they end up a top 4 seed and at least get to the second round and are competitive, how can they not sign him?
If they hadn't made the trade, they weren't going to do as well as last season, though Wolves playing well with Covington and Saric now.
Belli and Illy were super from outside the arc but horrid defenders. The loss of Roco is a big one defensively. The Sixers definitely got better with the trade...but they also got thinner. Expect Brand to make a trade for another piece soon.
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I take back my first sentence. I thought you said from the three point line! Hahah. I love Embiid’s 12-15 foot game. Its lethal some nights.Diablo25 wrote:Embiid is not most efficient from outside the paint. He has incredible touch from the perimeter for a 7’2” C but his bread and butter is on the block and his mid range game.wco81 wrote:Problem is Simmons is not a threat to score outside the paint and that is where Embid is most efficient.
Butler gives them another scorer but he's not going to give the team spacing. He also likes to post from about 15 feet out or be a threat to go to the rack.
Sixers played the best at the end of last season when Bellinelli and Irsan gave them shooting from the outside but Celtics exploited the fact that they along with Reddick couldn't take their wings off the dribble.
Big decision looms at end of season on whether to sign Butler but if they end up a top 4 seed and at least get to the second round and are competitive, how can they not sign him?
If they hadn't made the trade, they weren't going to do as well as last season, though Wolves playing well with Covington and Saric now.
Belli and Illy were super from outside the arc but horrid defenders. The loss of Roco is a big one defensively. The Sixers definitely got better with the trade...but they also got thinner. Expect Brand to make a trade for another piece soon.
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Entertaining game between the Heat and Lakers. The big takeaway is that finally in his 4th year, Justice Winslow might be turning into the player the Heat and Celtics thought he would be. He’s had 3 or 4 straight games over 20 pts and tonight he led the team with 28 pts. Then there’s Derrick “Airplane Mode” Jones Jr who contributed with points and rebounds. Bam Adebayo continues to grow his game. I hate to see Wade retire but the Heat are beginning to develop a bunch of really good players.
Josh Richardson was given the lead role but it looks like Winslow is chasing him for that spot. I’m glad neither one of these guys were traded for Jimmy Butler. Granted JB is a top 15 NBA player but he’s quickly approaching the wrong side of 30. He’s a better fit with Philly because they didn’t have to give any of their young core players or draft picks which wasn’t the case if Miami traded for him.
Josh Richardson was given the lead role but it looks like Winslow is chasing him for that spot. I’m glad neither one of these guys were traded for Jimmy Butler. Granted JB is a top 15 NBA player but he’s quickly approaching the wrong side of 30. He’s a better fit with Philly because they didn’t have to give any of their young core players or draft picks which wasn’t the case if Miami traded for him.
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I have absolutely no idea what lightbulb went off in Justice Winslow’s head but the dude is quickly blossoming into a star at the age of 22. This is a kid who up until recently deffered shots at all costs, would miss layups and clean open dunks. He was averaging for close to three years around 5-8 ppg.
Now he’s close to averaging in the high teens. Last night he had 22 pts with a few 3 pointers, he was a monster at the rim finishing layups and dunks all while playing from the point position. Against the Lakers he went off with 28pts and his defense has always been elite.
I’m glad he wasn’t doing this at the beginning of the year or he could have been trade bait for the Butler deal.
Now he’s close to averaging in the high teens. Last night he had 22 pts with a few 3 pointers, he was a monster at the rim finishing layups and dunks all while playing from the point position. Against the Lakers he went off with 28pts and his defense has always been elite.
I’m glad he wasn’t doing this at the beginning of the year or he could have been trade bait for the Butler deal.
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Yeah good for him.
Kind of weird that he's playing well after signing an extension.
But Riley is fairly generous and Winslow was a much-coveted asset -- Ainge was willing to give up a lot for him.
Kind of weird that he's playing well after signing an extension.
But Riley is fairly generous and Winslow was a much-coveted asset -- Ainge was willing to give up a lot for him.
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Miami up until recently had no idea if Winslow would improve or just be an NBA role player off the bench. The contract he got proved that as he was given a 4 year deal with a “team option” in years 3 and 4.wco81 wrote:Yeah good for him.
Kind of weird that he's playing well after signing an extension.
But Riley is fairly generous and Winslow was a much-coveted asset -- Ainge was willing to give up a lot for him.
Now it looks like the Heat are the winners with that contract. If he continues to play like he has and even improves he could turn into as many NBA draft experts projected him to be the next Kawhi Leonard.