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... is the Division I-AA championship game between Colgate and Delaware this Friday night on ESPN2.
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<BR>Why? Because even if it´s a blowout, it´s the only game left this season that means anything. All of the I-A bowl games are postseason exhibitions, jump starts on spring practice and excuses for a party for the fans and alums of the schools playing, nothing else.
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<BR>A true national champion will be crowned on the field this Friday night. Hopefully Colgate, which is about 40 miles from my house. As I watch the game, I´ll think about just how cool it would be if there was a I-A playoff, too.
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<BR>Dreaming, I guess.
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Playoffs are lame. Go BCS!!!!
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<BR>Sorry PK, I just don´t share your sentiments. I don´t think I want a 16-team playoff. A one game tie breaker in the end and an elimanation of all the nonsense bowl and I would be a happy camper. That and a move to put all games back on New Year´s Day.
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<BR>Two things to say to that...
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<BR>Team A is #1 in both the Coaches and AP polls....they don´t get in the championship game.
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<BR>Team B can´t win it´s own conference, yet it is in the championship game.
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<BR>Go BCS...yeah...go to hell!

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Well, PK, keep in mind that those Colgate players surely don´t hit the books as hard as the student-athletes at Oklahoma and LSU. So they can afford to have their study time disrupted by a few weeks of playoffs <IMG SRC="images/forum/icons/icon_biggrin.gif">
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<BR>JRod, what would that tie-breaker game be called? The Indecision Bowl? The BCBS Bowl? How about the Now We´ll Be 100% Sure Deodorant Bowl?
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<BR>The college football post-exhibition season is the biggest joke in American sports, as this year´s BCS absurdity has clearly demonstrated. The reporters and coaches have had their air tubes cut by the HAL 9000. And now, a system which was supposed to make one bowl game have more meaning than the other two dozen has managed to render all these games meaningless.
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Colgate´s good. Real good. They sure whipped my school at our home field. I was going to go to that game but everyone decided against it, after it was 21-3 with about 5 minutes to play in the 1st quarter.
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There will never be a perfect system in place. NCAA CB has a 65 team tourny now and its not perfect.
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<BR>There are only good and better methods for determining championship and the BCS is better than what we had before.
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<BR>I would also argue that computer have nothing to do with determining who is the champion. All a computer is doing is calculating some algorithm a human fed into it. Its not like the computers are selecting random teams or using some sort of "truely" random numbers to mark a champion. From what I know, the computers could be replaced by a man and a calculator.
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Gators:
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<BR>Very nice campus. Hamilton is a very small, quaint town, but the campus is beautiful.
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>>>I would also argue that computer have nothing to do with determining who is the champion.<<<
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<BR>BDunn:
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<BR>That´s absolute horseshit, my friend. A computer this year dropped USC to No. 3 in the polls despite a crushing victory in its final game of the regular season. That same computer kept Oklahoma No. 1 despite a crushing defeat in the Big 12 title game.
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<BR>What was the most important score of the final weekend of the college football regular season?
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<BR>0.16.
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<BR>Yeah, the decimal-point difference between LSU and USC in the final BCS standings. The most important digits were decimals spit out by a computer, not the score of a game on the field.
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<BR>That same computer kept USC No. 3 not because it didn´t win its final game by a big enough margin but because losses by its season opponents in the final week, including Notre Dame to my hometown Syracuse, raised its decimal-point total.
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<BR>And you´re trying to tell me that computers didn´t determine the national champion this year?
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<BR>OK. I also have some ice in hell to sell you.
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Sorry bro - but its not the computers, its the men that come up with the algorithms for them to compute. The computers could easily be replaced with chinese counting thingies.
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<BR>I do understand where you are coming from. I work in IT - so I know when the computer gets blamed for doing something stupid, its operator error 90% of time the other 10% of the time its programmer error.
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BDunn:
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<BR>You´re splitting hairs and defending computers as only an IT professional can do.
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<BR>You know exactly what I´m getting at: Computers and their human-created programs are determining the Division I-A national championship, not football players.
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<BR>Out,
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Ah, your just sore that the Orangemen aren´t in a bowl this year.
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<BR>Put Syracuse in the Pullan Weed Eater Bowl against a solid opponent like Southwest Missouri State and you would be glued to your TV. <IMG SRC="images/forum/icons/icon_biggrin.gif">

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Kevin:
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<BR>You´re right about the watching part: I would watch Syracuse if it was in a bowl.
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<BR>But the game still wouldn´t mean s***.
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To me, all these games mean is just another game on their schedule....succeeded by a bowl name. Whoooodeeefreakindooo! I could give a rats arse if my Kansas team is playing NC State. What´s the excitement if they win? Nothing. Maybe it helps with recruiting exposure but that´s about it. What´s the disappointment if they lose? Nothing. It´s so blatantly obvious that it´s another way for the NCAA to make money. It´s ashame that the only people who tune in to watch the New Orleans bowl, etc is the alumni and those who live in the respective states of the teams playing. Snooooooozer bowls.
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I will agree there are way too many bowls. There is no way a team with a 6-6 record should be playing past Dec 1.
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I actually like the way the BCS screwed up.
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<BR>1) The BCS is exposed as a joke and we are one step closer to a playoff.
<BR>2)I get to watch 2 games that matter instead of 1. The Rose Bowl is now as important if not more so than the Sugar.
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I have now seen the error of my ways. My only regret now is that I must acknowledge the fact that all of the great memories I have watching the classics on New Year’s Day, the one great day of Christmas vacation left before school started again, was in reality, a bunch of crap.
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<BR>Joe Montana’s comeback win in the ’79 Cotton Bowl on a frozen field against Houston? Yawn. Memories of sneaking back out of bed on New Year’s night to watch a little more of the Orange Bowl with dad? Back to bed son, it’s meaningless. Illinois’ wild run through the Big 10 in 1983 and their only Rose Bowl appearance in my life time? Isn’t there a movie on or something? Tournament of Roses? Waste of good flowers.
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<BR>Makes you wonder how all those games survived all those years, and how could all those millions of people who went and had a great time or watched on TV as part of their holiday tradition could have been so stupid. Oh for all the wasted time.
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<BR>Wait, I know how to get it back. Let’s expand the NFL playoffs again, that way we can get even more meaningful games this January. And that way, I can watch those 6-8 Bills and 6-8 Bears clawing for those last precious playoff slots this weekend knowing that in spite of slogging their way through the first 80% of the season, they’ve still got everything to play for. Oh the excitement! Who would have thought that the 5-9 Redskins at 6-8 Bears could have been so meaningful down the stretch, and just in time for Christmas! May as well … that’s the game I’m stuck watching anyway.
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River:
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<BR>You´re missing the point. You and Z have strong cases that bowl games are a form of sports entertainment, and that´s true. They also create a lot of memories.
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<BR>But you´re kidding yourself if you consider bowl games to be anything more than exhibition games that deliver pleasure, pride, pomp and pageantry.
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<BR>My point is: A playoff could do all that and deliver a national champion, just like March Madness in hoops. I just don´t understand why Division I-A college football sells itself so short.
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<BR>And please show me anywhere in this thread where anyone suggested expanding the NFL playoffs. You´re Don Quixote, parrying imaginary windmills, on that one.
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You´re absolutely right, River. Voting for who should play for a championship or letting a souped-up Commodore 64 calculate who should be in the title game makes so much more sense than those stinky old playoffs. And the college bowl system is SO selective. Why, you don´t even have to win your division to play for the national title.
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<BR>Seriously, I don´t know how anyone can look at the other college football playoffs and not say that system wouldn´t be amazing for D-IA football. I think it could even outdo March Madness, the greatest sporting event this country has to offer.
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<BR>It´s not that bowl games can´t be entertaining or exciting. I just think playoffs would add an extra level of intensity and purpose. I know in other sports, I´ll watch playoff teams I have no connection to because it´s exciting to see them fight to advance.

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Brando is absolutely right. And not to mention the potential for Cinderella teams.
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<BR>Let´s say it´s an eight- or 16-team tournament and a team like Boise State or Marshall had a hell of a year and got in the tournament as a final at-large team. Then let´s say Boise State or Marshall upset the No. 1 seed in the first round.
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<BR>River, you´re trying to tell me that football fans wouldn´t freak out over that and watch that team´s second-round game, even if they had ZERO affiliation with Boise State or Marshall?
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<BR>As it stands right now, I could care less about any bowl teams unless I have an affiliation with that school. So if my hometown Syracuse isn´t in a bowl, I´m not watching any of them. They´re all meaningless exhibitions that fill air time and help sell sponsorships and commercials.
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<BR>I´m not alone, either.
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<BR>But that certainly wouldn´t be the case with a playoff. A playoff, especially with an upset or two, would compel people who could care less about college football, or football, period, to watch, just like March Madness does with hoops.
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<BR>Again, Division I-A college football succeeds now in spite of itself. It could be SO much better.
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If nothing else, I agree with JRod that the old system was more exciting than the BCS. The BCS screwed up the traditional conference alliances with the bowls, while obviously not solving precisely the question of who is #1 and #2 every year. At least that natural uncertainity had an air of drama, unlike the forced uncertainty we have this year.

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I want you guys to know that I respect your opinions and am not trying to start a food fight over this. It’s just that I have an attachment to the tradition of the bowls and don’t want to see it go away. I’m not a fan of the BCS but I would rather go back to the way it used to be than have a playoff.
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<BR>I grudgingly admit <IMG SRC="images/forum/icons/icon_wink.gif"> that bowl games are essentially exhibitions (although games you have to earn, well, at least the majors anyway).
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<BR>As for computers picking the national championship, I admit it’s not good. I would also suggest, however, that the primary reason USC is #1 in the voting polls is because they started out higher than LSU in the pre-season polls, based largely on promise and last years’ results. If USC had gone 7-5 last year, LSU would be #1 in the voting polls right now, so I don’t see how USC’s current standing is sacred either.
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<BR>As for the travesty of a non-conference champion being national champion, show me a playoff system anywhere in the world where that is a requirement.
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<BR>As for a football playoff being “bigger” than March Madness, I doubt it, but only because an 8-team playoff is only going to generate 7 games, or roughly 25 hours of programming, where March Madness generates 64 games, translating to about 50 hours of programming.
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<BR>Even with a 16-team playoff and 15 games, you still won’t match the programming time, game count, attendance figures, tourism dollars, etc., that March Madness can generate. The first weekend probably wouldn´t have all of the games on anyway just because there would be too many to show. Remember guys ... you can´t play on Sunday like March Madness. All games would have to be on Friday night or Saturday (and Friday night might not be allowabvle), so of the eight games on the first weekend, you may only get three (four if they played the first Friday night). And if you can´t play on Fridays, you won´t get to see all the second round games either. Would I watch a Boise State upstart in the second round? Of course I would. Hopefully I´ll be able to. Hopefully I would have gotten to see the upset too, but I wouldn´t count on it.
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<BR>As for the NFL playoffs not expanding, just you wait. Show me the last time a major playoff system contracted instead of expanded. There are eight divisions with four teams apiece now. How easy is that one to figure out? I predict that in the not too distant future, the NFL will have a 16 team tournament.
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>>>As for a football playoff being “bigger” than March Madness, I doubt it, but only because an 8-team playoff is only going to generate 7 games, or roughly 25 hours of programming, where March Madness generates 64 games, translating to about 50 hours of programming.<<<
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<BR>Since when has the amount of programming determined the intensity and popularity of a sporting event?
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<BR>The National Finals Rodeo is on every damn night on OLN and ESPN 2 for a week every year, and it´s not exactly tickling the Super Bowl as the most popular event in the world.
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<BR>The Kentucky Derby lasts a whopping two minutes, with about an hour of pre-race and 30 minutes of post-race programming, yet it´s one of the more prestigious and popular sporting events in America.
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>>>Show me the last time a major playoff system contracted instead of expanded.<<<
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<BR>River:
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<BR>Man, who the hell said anything about the NFL Playoffs contracting ... or expanding?
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<BR>Not sure at all why that is part of your defense of the bowl system.
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I guess I assumed that when people talk about NCAA football playoffs being bigger than March Madness, I assume they meant in terms of generating more revenue, as I have heard that argument made in the past. I can´t see it generating more revenue, but in terms of excitement and prestige, you may very well be right.
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<BR>Please ignore my ranting about expanded NFL playoffs. I was trying to be clever and suggest that because thw bowl games aren´t "important", we should create more "important" NFL games to make up the difference. My feeble attempt at sarcasm was feeble indeed.
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