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LAking wrote:The fact is that it's not really an e-reader. If anything it's a stripped down netbook with some e-reader functionality. No multitasking, you can't install your own software, it can't do e-ink, and try resting your fingers on the "home" keys when typing, see how that works for ya.
This afternoon I thought, "Hell, my wife might like this device since she uses our family lappy for little other than Web browsing/reading, Facebook and e-mail." But the lack of a touch keyboard with home keys would be a show-stopper, as would the lack of multitasking.

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I'm a little surprised the reaction to this is so negative. Exactly what did people expect from this thing?

Tablets sound great in principle but have never found a market, mainly because laptops simply do more better for the same prices. I'm not sure I see enough new here to create a market that has never really existed.

As I posted the other day, the Kindle/Nook will be much better for e-reading. Cheaper, easier to read e-ink screens, lighter, better battery life, free 3G. It's understandable that Apple wants to charge $30/month for 3G because this will have a full internet browser, but then why not get an iPhone which is so much easier to carry around?

Will be interesting to see how this sells and what people do with it. A lot of Apple fanboys will jump on it, but then will they use it?

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I'll be getting one. Probably the high-end version. Some quick thoughts on why I'll be grabbing one.

1. I like the larger screen and the fact that web surfing on this device will be a easier. It's not cumbersome like my 17" MBP but not too small like my iPhone.
2. Reading PDFs and the like will be easier (I do this a lot in my work). The backlight screen may suck in person so I'm going to play with it a bit first. I have a Sony E-reader that is very good but being able to read in low light conditions without a light add-on will be nice. it'll also be 10x snappier than e-ink.
3. Netbook functionality with touch screen controls
4. Already works with all my iTunes movies, shows, music and games. Syncing all that up will be simple and hassle free.
5. All my iPhone apps will work on it. Hopefully I can sync data between the two (i.e. Pocket Informant).
6. The keyboard dock - while not so good for traveling - looks great for home use.
7. The case / stand that Apple offers looks awesome.

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Naples39 wrote:I'm a little surprised the reaction to this is so negative. Exactly what did people expect from this thing?

Tablets sound great in principle but have never found a market, mainly because laptops simply do more better for the same prices. I'm not sure I see enough new here to create a market that has never really existed.

As I posted the other day, the Kindle/Nook will be much better for e-reading. Cheaper, easier to read e-ink screens, lighter, better battery life, free 3G. It's understandable that Apple wants to charge $30/month for 3G because this will have a full internet browser, but then why not get an iPhone which is so much easier to carry around?

Will be interesting to see how this sells and what people do with it. A lot of Apple fanboys will jump on it, but then will they use it?
I agree that it shouldn't be such a shock. I was always saying that a tablet sounds terrible. You just can't do heavy typing with a touch screen. I worked at an animation studio in the IT dept for a year. I absolutely hated having to use the tablet laptops that a lot of the artists used. It's just so limiting. People are disappointed because it's Apple and the hype was way overblown as usual.

I will say that I was hoping Apple was going to come up with a really innovative way to make it work more like a true e-reader. If it had some kind of slick new technology that somehow turned off the backlight and changed the contrast ratio to make it work similar to an e-ink screen then I would consider it. That way I could justify it as a nice e-reader with a bunch of added features like music, web browsing, etc.
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Wait...browsing the internet on a 17" MBP is cumbersome? WTF? It's a laptop.

Apple is simply trying to create a market segment that doesn't exist. It'll fail just like the Apple TV did. It's not a DVR and it's not a computer...so what is it? Same situation with the iPad.

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macsomjrr wrote:I'll be getting one. Probably the high-end version. Some quick thoughts on why I'll be grabbing one.

1. I like the larger screen and the fact that web surfing on this device will be a easier. It's not cumbersome like my 17" MBP but not too small like my iPhone.
2. Reading PDFs and the like will be easier (I do this a lot in my work). The backlight screen may suck in person so I'm going to play with it a bit first. I have a Sony E-reader that is very good but being able to read in low light conditions without a light add-on will be nice. it'll also be 10x snappier than e-ink.
3. Netbook functionality with touch screen controls
4. Already works with all my iTunes movies, shows, music and games. Syncing all that up will be simple and hassle free.
5. All my iPhone apps will work on it. Hopefully I can sync data between the two (i.e. Pocket Informant).
6. The keyboard dock - while not so good for traveling - looks great for home use.
7. The case / stand that Apple offers looks awesome.
1) Easier compared to what? Your iphone, yes. A netbook, not really.
2) I'll take having to use a backlight in very low light over having to use my hands to cover the screen to stop glare in sunlight.
3) Minus a real keyboard. When you get a chance to try it out see how easy it is to type a lengthy email. Perhaps it will be fine but i'm very skeptical.
5) So does any netbook running Windows and iTunes.
6) A real netbook can do it both at home and on the road
7) Apple wins this one.

It's pretty, it will have some fun apps but the fact is that a netbook is just a better option, not to mention cheaper.
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Diablo25 wrote:It is getting ripped on most tech forums. No multi tasking, no camera, no flash, etc. seem to be the big negatives.
So did the iPhone, which doesn't hit all the checkboxes of geeks. Not saying this thing will be a hit but people who are using HW specs or "open" software support are not the target market for iPhone or apparently, this iPad thing.

But I'm dubious of the claims that it will do browsing and all the other functions better than iPhone or laptops.

The A4 SOC better play back video and games as well or better than any netbook or smartphones using other SOCs like Tegra 2.

Took a quick look on Amazon and Dell to see what netbook prices and specs look like these days. Some do approach $500 so it will be interesting to compare performance. They all have hard disks though and I didn't see an option to put in SSD storage or flash. I thought there used to be netbook SKUs with solid-state storage but didn't see one.

Regardless, again performance will be interesting and whether the touch UI and form factor makes it more attractive to some people who are looking for netbooks.

I've seen people use Kindles or other eBook readers in places like lines at the post office. Well you can't use a laptop or even maybe a netbook i those situations.

The thin tablet design might be better in other public situations, on the couch, in bed, etc. than a clamshell. Of course, clamshell is better for doing a lot of typing.

I don't know about doing heavy reading on it, but mainly because I would be more inclined to borrow books. Certainly not pay as much for an eBook as you would real books. Jobs didn't talk about book pricing or made much of the deals with publishers so it doesn't sound like a groundbreaking arrangement.

Nor did they show off interactive and multimedia features which might justify buying an eBook over borrowing or buying paperbacks.

It really seems like they didn't have all the deals in place that they hoped to have, like for instance, no 3G deals outside the US. The rumored TV subscription might have been a big deal but it'll be hard to put that together over cable companies, which pay for TV content (and in the case of Comcast, is about to own a lot of the content directly).

Maybe by the time they ship, they will have some other deals to announce which could make it more attractive.

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Any major ramifications of not supporting Flash?
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pk500 wrote:Any major ramifications of not supporting Flash?
You mean other then it being on 98% of all websites?

Apple is counting on people to make iPad versions of sites like they do for the iPhone I would guess.
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pk500 wrote:Any major ramifications of not supporting Flash?
You mean other then it being on 98% of all websites?
That's exactly what I was thinking out loud. YouTube, especially. Flash-based video won't play on this thing, so no YouTube?

WTF? I must be missing something here in my Luddite brain.
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pk500 wrote:
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pk500 wrote:Any major ramifications of not supporting Flash?
You mean other then it being on 98% of all websites?
That's exactly what I was thinking out loud. YouTube, especially. Flash-based video won't play on this thing, so no YouTube?

WTF? I must be missing something here in my Luddite brain.
The iphone has a youtube app, therefor the ipad will play youtube videos.
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LAking wrote:
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Danimal wrote: You mean other then it being on 98% of all websites?
That's exactly what I was thinking out loud. YouTube, especially. Flash-based video won't play on this thing, so no YouTube?

WTF? I must be missing something here in my Luddite brain.
The iphone has a youtube app, therefor the ipad will play youtube videos.
I can see that. My Cliq phone has youtube but no flash support.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsjU0K8QPhs

Time for a lawsuit. And the version linked above is MUCH better.

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LAking wrote:
pk500 wrote:
Danimal wrote: You mean other then it being on 98% of all websites?
That's exactly what I was thinking out loud. YouTube, especially. Flash-based video won't play on this thing, so no YouTube?

WTF? I must be missing something here in my Luddite brain.
The iphone has a youtube app, therefor the ipad will play youtube videos.
What's Jobs' beef against Flash, especially since so many sites use it?
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pk500 wrote:
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pk500 wrote: That's exactly what I was thinking out loud. YouTube, especially. Flash-based video won't play on this thing, so no YouTube?

WTF? I must be missing something here in my Luddite brain.
The iphone has a youtube app, therefor the ipad will play youtube videos.
What's Jobs' beef against Flash, especially since so many sites use it?
There aren't many devices that have flash built in. Android doesn't have it yet...blackberries don't have it. It's basically been up to Adobe to create the "mobile" version and they've been dragging their feet. This one isn't Apple's fault. I believe Android will be the first to get it...Droid does! LOL.

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pk500 wrote:
LAking wrote:
pk500 wrote: That's exactly what I was thinking out loud. YouTube, especially. Flash-based video won't play on this thing, so no YouTube?

WTF? I must be missing something here in my Luddite brain.
The iphone has a youtube app, therefor the ipad will play youtube videos.
What's Jobs' beef against Flash, especially since so many sites use it?
The big deal (as I understand it), is that websites can't be trusted when it comes to utilizing flash. Flash in the wrong hands is a HUGE memory/resource hog. So, phones (not just iPhones) could lock-up, drain batteries, and such with poorly programmed websites. Hell, my laptop wigs out on certain sites waiting for flash junk (mostly ads) to load. Then again, it could be from all the porn.
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greggsand wrote: The big deal (as I understand it), is that websites can't be trusted when it comes to utilizing flash. Flash in the wrong hands is a HUGE memory/resource hog. So, phones (not just iPhones) could lock-up, drain batteries, and such with poorly programmed websites. Hell, my laptop wigs out on certain sites waiting for flash junk (mostly ads) to load. Then again, it could be from all the porn.
That and HTML5 will do a lot of the things Flash does, without being a resource hog.

Adobe got Flash when it acquired Macromedia, which developed this technology originally from "multimedia CD-ROMs."

It's 20th-century technology.

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There has been some positive reaction to the iPad. A number of tech reporters/bloggers have expressed that they were impressed with the device. One response was the device looks like a solid "all in one" iPhone/laptop/Kindle. I don't think it is looking to be anything beyond that. As usual, the real thing didn't meet the hype. I am looking to get an e-reading device so I'm on the fence over this thing. I LOVE my iPhone so the interface is a no brainer. The key is the iBook functionality. Is it going to be hard on the eyes due to the back lit screen? Maybe Apple has dealt with that in some way. Engadget seemed to be impressed with the iBook funcionality. Still, the price tag is fairly steep for just an e-reader. Maybe I'll just get a Kindle or Nook. Guess I'll wait and see on this one.
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Mashable provides full feature list of iPad:

http://mashable.com/2010/01/27/ipad/?ut ... (Mashable)

Mashable lists what's missing from the iPad:

http://mashable.com/2010/01/27/ipad-wha ... (Mashable)
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Diablo25 wrote:There has been some positive reaction to the iPad. A number of tech reporters/bloggers have expressed that they were impressed with the device. One response was the device looks like a solid "all in one" iPhone/laptop/Kindle. I don't think it is looking to be anything beyond that. As usual, the real thing didn't meet the hype. I am looking to get an e-reading device so I'm on the fence over this thing. I LOVE my iPhone so the interface is a no brainer. The key is the iBook functionality. Is it going to be hard on the eyes due to the back lit screen? Maybe Apple has dealt with that in some way. Engadget seemed to be impressed with the iBook funcionality. Still, the price tag is fairly steep for just an e-reader. Maybe I'll just get a Kindle or Nook. Guess I'll wait and see on this one.
It's more than just an e-reader but if all you're looking for is an e-reader, then it's probably better to get the standalone.

The E-ink screen is better for long sessions of reading but it can't do color or video. So the choice is between something optimized for reading versus something which has to support other media like video.

A common reaction appears to be to wait for a second or third version, when they're sure to add a lot of what is missing. But if a lot of people do that, it may not sell well enough to justify new versions.

If it gets good app. support -- that is a lot of developers update their apps. to take advantage of the bigger screen -- then it could help make it a better value.

Right now, if you already have a smart phone and laptop, not sure this thing is something you have to have. You could say the same thing about customers with smart phones and laptops also getting netbooks, which certainly are selling well.

The speed and the overall experience could be better on this than a netbook.

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does this device have a dvd player? and/or built-in speakers?

(am too lazy to look)

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