NCAA Team Builder site is open

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 3:38 pm

http://www.easportsworld.com/en_US/ncaa ... e_a_school

I figured it deserved it's own thread since some people are on the fence about this game and might not be checking out the NCAA thread.

So go play around with it.

Oh and our own GTHobbes has an early positive review

http://www.operationsports.com/forums/n ... appen.html

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 4:59 pm

Yes he was positive for almost a whole sentence then he got right back to taking EA to court.

GTHobbes · Post by **GTHobbes** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 6:12 pm

Danimal wrote:Yes he was positive for almost a whole sentence then he got right back to taking EA to court.

They did do a nice job with it....but like I said over there, it's a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Scoff if you will, but Madden didn't do this for a reason.

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 6:31 pm

GTHobbes wrote:waiting to happen.

Scoff if you will, but Madden didn't do this for a reason.

That there are far less teams to re-create, outside of making a fictional NFL team, CLF, USFL or some throwback team, etc.

The NCAA makes sense as you have tons of ACTUAL college teams that are not in the game, that will play a schedule this year.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 6:36 pm

How is this different than Papyrus having a paintshop in their Indycar and NASCAR sims, EA's car importing feature in NASCAR 09, or Forza Motorsports' car painting and sharing? As far as I know, Papyrus, EA, and Microsoft have avoided a lawsuit.

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 6:40 pm

Dave wrote:How is this different than Papyrus having a paintshop in their Indycar and NASCAR sims, EA's car importing feature in NASCAR 09, or Forza Motorsports' car painting and sharing? As far as I know, Papyrus, EA, and Microsoft have avoided a lawsuit.

And the PES editor, which allowed for people to make realistic teams, that were not licensed.

The fact GTHobbes is missing, is that it is the USER, NOT EA uploading any images that might violate copyright. Someone makes a stink to EA and they simply remove that image from their server.

Someone seems to be

GTHobbes · Post by **GTHobbes** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:45 pm

bdoughty wrote: The fact GTHobbes is missing, is that it is the USER, NOT EA uploading any images that might violate copyright. Someone makes a stink to EA and they simply remove that image from their server.

I'm not missing that fact, bd. EA is not creating the teams, rosters, etc., but they are HOSTING it, which makes them liable (in theory). They're also selling (i.e., profiting off of) the game which markets the feature, and they're the ones with the deep pockets, which is all any plaintiff's attorney really cares about.

And the fact that Papyrus, etc. have done similar things in the past, without getting sued, doesn't really mean a whole lot. EA sold NCAA for how many years before they got sued by the old college football player this year? And EA sold Madden for how many years before the NFLPA (and now EA) got sued by the retired players? The suit may not happen this year, but believe me, it will happen. And if it makes it past a motion to dismiss, it will certainly have EA's attention. They're skating on some thin ice, and anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves, IMHO.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:52 pm

So you're saying they will get sued? Ok that's like predicting the sun will rise.

Did either of those cases you just mentioned get settled yet? I don't think they did nor do I think either will win.

So will someone take them to court, sure I agree they will. Will someone win, I doubt it.

Do I or most really care? I doubt it.

GTHobbes · Post by **GTHobbes** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 8:00 pm

Let me ask you this, Dan.

Ian said he was the one who brainstormed the Team Builder feature. Why do you think it wasn't added to Madden?

I'll answer it for you...Ian admitted over at OS weeks ago that the feature wasn't added to Madden because of legal reasons.

I can guarantee you that someone at EA greenlighted this feature long before these lawsuits came about. That person is holding his or her breath right now that his/her decision doesn't come back to cost EA TONS of money somewhere down the road.

Whether you believe the suit has merit doesn't matter. What will matter is when EA starts hosting all of the user created rosters and the game comes out in a few weeks, and the first lawsuit is filed sometime after that. No matter how much you love EA (or how much I've hated their past business practices), they're skating on some thin ice with this.

Enjoy the feature while you can.

And trust me...it pains me a little to say that, since I'd like to see BackBreaker use a similar tool whenever it's released. From a legal standpoint, it's just not worth the risk.

Post by **Jared** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 8:07 pm

bdoughty wrote: The fact GTHobbes is missing, is that it is the USER, NOT EA uploading any images that might violate copyright. Someone makes a stink to EA and they simply remove that image from their server.

Someone seems to be

You can make your point and disagree with GTHobbes, without adding the unnecessary short straw jab. Show some civility here.

GTHobbes · Post by **GTHobbes** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 8:12 pm

Thanks, Jared.

One last point before I leave the subject. I just saw over at OS that people already have some VERY NICE uniforms up for the Rams, the Jets and the Saints.

If BackBreaker were to release with a similar Team Builder tool, how long do you think it would be until EA and the NFL moved to block any sale of the game?

Like I said, someone at EA didn't think this one through very hard.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 8:17 pm

Here is the truth I won't even use this feature so I could care less. I just don't see this becoming a problem.

Didn't marvel try to bring a law suit against the company that makes city of Heroes and didn't it get thrown out of court?

How do all the soccer games come with an editor?

Again just my opinion not my "Love" for EA as you put it.

GTHobbes · Post by **GTHobbes** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 8:26 pm

Danimal wrote:Here is the truth I won't even use this feature so I could care less. I just don't see this becoming a problem.

Didn't marvel try to bring a law suit against the company that makes city of Heroes and didn't it get thrown out of court?

How do all the soccer games come with an editor?

Again just my opinion not my "Love" for EA as you put it.

That's interesting...I didn't know about that suit. Some quick research shows it was settled out of court, after the Judge dismissed some of Marvel's claims. There were some pretty big differences between that situation and this one, however:

"Today, NCSoft announced that they had reached a settlement with Marvel Comics about its online RPG City of Heroes. The complaint spawned from the ability to create characters in City of Heroes that closely resembled characters from the Marvel Universe. While the details of the settlement have yet to be disclosed, NCSoft has stated that "no changes to the City of Heroes of City of Villains character creation engine are part of the settlement."

The lawsuit has always looked to conclude in NCSoft's favor; last March, the judge overseeing the lawsuit dismissed half of Marvel's complaints, citing that many of the complaints were spawned from characters made in the game that Marvel employees, themselves, had created."

http://www.joystiq.com/2005/12/14/marve ... t-settled/

http://www.gamepro.com/article/news/431 ... of-heroes/

"In a March 9 order, U.S. District Court Judge R. Gary Klausner sided with NCsoft, saying that some of Marvel's allegations and exhibits should be stricken as "false and sham" since the allegedly infringing works were created not by users, but by Marvel itself."

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 8:35 pm

Jared wrote: You can make your point and disagree with GTHobbes, without adding the unnecessary short straw jab. Show some civility here.

You know what Jared, DONE. All I posted was a picture of grasping at straws. Fletch has never been warned about his nifty GTFOH gif he has used on multiple occasions.

Civility? Please that was a kind humor thrown toward a zealot who thinks anything that EA does is an evil conspiracy.

So since I will be gone yet again and to continue the trend of civility laid down by my boy Fletch in multiple images.

Really it is not worth my time and effort. You lost me with your special treatment of certain posters. This is just the topping of the cake.

And to ensure that I will not be back

NSFW - P.S. One day Jared I hope you grow a pair of these in regards to the people who have done less for this forum yet get the kid glove treatment (Jrod - Jackb)

(Note from Jared - Unfortunately, BD is too immature to handle any sort of mild criticism, and had to resort to posting porn (specifically, a pic of someone's balls on someone's face) to make a point, which I'm sure he knows it's an automatic ban. If you really think that acting like a three-year-old is making a point, hey, keep doing it....I'm sure it's given you success on just about every other forum you've been to. I really thought you were over this kind of behavior, and was happy to give you another chance. Oh well....

And one more addition: I have very recently criticized both JRod for uncivil behavior in a post, and have done the same thing with JackB in the past when it's been warranted (including giving him a temp ban). Furthermore, there's a difference between Fletch's post, which wasn't directed at anyone, and BD's post. But if anyone has a problem with my moderating, let me know.)

toonarmy · Post by **toonarmy** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 9:19 pm

What the hell is this crap? Grow the hell up bd. Jared does a great job of keeping this place a fun civil place to discuss gaming. Crap like this is ridiculous and disgusting. If you need attention this bad maybe you should venture out into the real world and make some friends and learn some social skills. This quitting/getting banned every few months then coming back from some people on here is laughably immature.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:10 pm

GTHobbes wrote:"In a March 9 order, U.S. District Court Judge R. Gary Klausner sided with NCsoft, saying that some of Marvel's allegations and exhibits should be stricken as "false and sham" since the allegedly infringing works were created not by users, but by Marvel itself."

Well that I didn't know, that is interesting. I would think it is in everyone best interest if nothing happens with this Team Builder because it opens the doors for other publishers.

GTHobbes · Post by **GTHobbes** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:20 pm

Danimal wrote: I would think it is in everyone best interest if nothing happens with this Team Builder because it opens the doors for other publishers.

I'll agree with you there, Dan, because like I said, I think EA did a real nice job with this and I'd love to see BackBreaker use something similar.

It does beg the question though...why should EA (or any developer) pay the NFL anything for its license, if us gamers can do just as good a job creating the Steelers, Jets, Saints, etc. using this tool? The people over at OS are already doing a heckuva job doing just that.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:28 pm

GTHobbes wrote:
Danimal wrote: I would think it is in everyone best interest if nothing happens with this Team Builder because it opens the doors for other publishers.
I'll agree with you there, Dan, because like I said, I think EA did a real nice job with this and I'd love to see BackBreaker use something similar.

It does beg the question though...why should EA (or any developer) pay the NFL anything for its license, if us gamers can do just as good a job creating the Steelers, Jets, Saints, etc. using this tool? The people over at OS are already doing a heckuva job doing just that.

I think because only the hard core are going to use this feature and in looking at the percentage of hard core user I don't think to say that number is around 10% is a stretch.

I know I don't care enough about College football to use this, in a baseball game i would go to town creating historic rosters so i could replay the 75 season say.

Who knows you might be right and the whole thing might be shut down, maybe EA made some secret deal. I don't know but it would be nice to see nothing come of this and have this feature added to other games.

The trend in gaming these days is user content, see said City of heroes, Valve games, Bioware games. Maybe sports games are going to get on board.

GTHobbes · Post by **GTHobbes** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:52 pm

Danimal wrote: I know I don't care enough about College football to use this, in a baseball game i would go to town creating historic rosters so i could replay the 75 season say.

I'd also love to go to town creating historic teams, rosters and stadiums for some old baseball seasons. Better yet, I'd love to download some that are created by people a lot more talented than me.

Phototropic · Post by **Phototropic** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 10:03 am

I hope we get something this cool for Madden online franchise sites in terms of quality.

ansonlee · Post by **ansonlee** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:23 pm

why you make that guy leave. He made some good informative posts.

Teambuilder is cool. I made my HS team on there with real logo and uni. Hope it translate well in game.