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Such a disappointing, desultory fight. You missed nothing if you didn't see it.

Joshua did exactly what he needed -- he turned into Wladimir Klitschko while trained under Manny Steward. Safety first, stick and move, no chances. Boring as f*ck and extremely effective.

Ruiz was a joke. Came in far overweight, couldn't get under AJ's jab. Had no Plan B.

This was a crap fight. I think both men combined to throw less than 10 body shots combined outside of clinches. This was a glorified sparring session with little intensity or passion.

Ruiz already is calling for a rubber match. I would rather run my testicles through a Velveeta slicer than see this fight a third time. It's clear that the first fight was Ruiz's "Buster Douglas" moment. He's a guy who didn't respect the belt or the sport in his preparation and is a B-level fighter. The only person who should want to see a third fight is Ruiz's dietician.

It's time for Joshua to take on Wilder. And after today, I think the incredibly crude but powerful Wilder will knock out Joshua, especially if he ever develops a body punch. Joshua was a very effective boxer tonight, and it will be his blueprint for future success. It's boring as f*ck, but the fawning DAZN commentators and delusional British fans will try to convince the world that AJ is a brilliant tactician and the second coming of Ali when the reality that this new strategy is the only way he can stay on his feet.

There's a reason why I think Fury is the best of the current elite heavyweight trilogy -- he's the only one who uses any kind of body attack. He is the only complete package among himself, Wilder and Joshua. Wilder has no boxing skill but a huge right hand and stiff beard. Joshua can box but has no beard. Neither guy ever goes to the body.

Meanwhile, Fury can box, crack upstairs and downstairs and has a hell of a chin.
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I agree with you that Ruiz doesn't deserve another shot as Joshua will just use the same tactics. If this were Ali vs Frazier or Ali vs Norton or Ward vs Gatti then yeah but Ruiz is not in that group. He got dumb fat and happy after he won the first title fight.

Now an AJ vs Wilder fight COULD be interesting with AJ's new style and refocus to the sport. A Joshua vs Fury fight would be off the charts in Great Britain. Does DAZN control both Joshua and Fury?

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Rodster wrote:Now an AJ vs Wilder fight COULD be interesting with AJ's new style and refocus to the sport. A Joshua vs Fury fight would be off the charts in Great Britain. Does DAZN control both Joshua and Fury?
How could AJ-Wilder be interesting? AJ will stick and run even more than he did today against Ruiz because Wilder has TNT in his right hand. He has FAR more power than Ruiz or any other heavyweight since Tyson, so why would AJ want to engage, especially since Wilder is a TERRIBLE boxer?

Joshua is a Matchroom fighter, which is affiliated with DAZN. But AJ claims he can make deals with anyone. Unlikely.

Fury is a Top Rank fighter, which is affiliated with ESPN and ESPN+. Legendary Top Rank owner and Hall of Fame promoter Bob Arum will not do business with Al Haymon, who controls Premier Boxing Champions. Arum also rarely does business with Oscar De La Hoya and Golden Boy, but so far there is no bad blood between Matchroom boss Eddie Hearn and Arum, so a Fury-Joshua fight could be made for boffo box office in the UK and healthy profits worldwide.
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pk500 wrote:How could AJ-Wilder be interesting? AJ will stick and run even more than he did today against Ruiz because Wilder has TNT in his right hand. He has FAR more power than Ruiz or any other heavyweight since Tyson, so why would AJ want to engage, especially since Wilder is a TERRIBLE boxer?
Just to see how long AJ can last against Wilder's TNT. Eventually someone will have to throw a punch :lol:

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Rodster wrote:
pk500 wrote:How could AJ-Wilder be interesting? AJ will stick and run even more than he did today against Ruiz because Wilder has TNT in his right hand. He has FAR more power than Ruiz or any other heavyweight since Tyson, so why would AJ want to engage, especially since Wilder is a TERRIBLE boxer?
Just to see how long AJ can last against Wilder's TNT. Eventually someone will have to throw a punch :lol:
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PK, thoughts on tomorrows Wilder v Fury fight. Who are you picking?

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Rodster wrote:PK, thoughts on tomorrows Wilder v Fury fight. Who are you picking?
Wilder by mid- to late-round stoppage.

Wilder has so much room to improve leading into every fight because he's such a crude boxer. And it looks to me in the "Wilder-Fury II" 24/7 style shows on FOX that Wilder and his camp are working more on technique, speed and footwork for this fight. That will really help Wilder because that atomic right hand -- the biggest punch in boxing since peak young Foreman or Earnie Shavers -- isn't going away.

Fury has changed trainers to "SugarHill" Steward, the nephew of late, legendary trainer Emanuel Steward, who trained Tommy Hearns, Hilmer Kenty, the Klitschkos, etc. Their new public strategy is for Fury to work on strength and power and go for an early knockout.

That makes sense since Wilder is most effective at distance, when he can extend his left jab as a set-up punch for his neutron bomb of a right, which is at its concussive best at full extension. Plus Wilder is not a good inside fighter and doesn't fight well while moving backward. So, it could be smart for Fury to go inside and work early for a quick KO. Plus Fury suffered a nasty gash over his eye in his last fight just five months ago, against Otto Wallin, that required nearly 50 stitches to close. The longer the fight goes on, the better chance that Wilder will reopen that cut and send a gusher of blood into Fury's eye.

Still, there is huge risk for Fury to avoid fighting at distance and using head and foot movement. It's his best strategy, as he has remarkable foot and hand speed for a 6-9, 270 guy. Those tactics had him well up on the scorecards until Wilder knocked him down in the ninth and 12th.

Fascinating fight between the two best heavyweights in the world. A true 50/50 fight. I can't wait to watch it!
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I’ll keep my prediction short. I agree with PK. TKO in the middle rounds. Wilder is always open to get hit because he’s just not that clean of a fighter. I believe PK used the word “crude” above. Perhaps Fury catches him with something big and takes something out of him early but the rocket of a right hand that Wilder has will end this fight in one way or the other.
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Will the winner get a rematch or will they fight AJ to unify the 4 belts? I don’t think AJ wants either fighter at this point.

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Rodster wrote:Will the winner get a rematch or will they fight AJ to unify the 4 belts? I don’t think AJ wants either fighter at this point.
Not sure of the rematch clause in the contract.

AJ is the third-best heavyweight in the world, behind these two. The belts are irrelevant: The winner of tonight's fight is the true heavyweight champion of the world. A true champion doesn't get knocked out by Andy Effing Ruiz.
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pk500 wrote:
Rodster wrote:Will the winner get a rematch or will they fight AJ to unify the 4 belts? I don’t think AJ wants either fighter at this point.
Not sure of the rematch clause in the contract.

AJ is the third-best heavyweight in the world, behind these two. The belts are irrelevant: The winner of tonight's fight is the true heavyweight champion of the world. A true champion doesn't get knocked out by Andy Effing Ruiz.
I read that there is a clause that allows either fighter to ask for a rematch. See if that's true. I also felt the same way when AJ lost to Ruiz. I still don't think he could beat either Wilder or Fury.

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Color me surprised. Of all the possible scenarios, a mid-round stoppage by Fury was low on my list.

While Fury didn't get his promised second-round KO, he did press the action from the opening bell. That made all the difference since Wilder cannot fight off his back foot. Last night also proved Wilder still has little boxing nous other than his left jab and atomic overhand right. His footwork looked no better, and I think he throws to the body about as often as Trump tells the truth.

It sure looked like Fury bursted Wilder's ear drum -- sorry, it hurts just to type that -- with his knockdown shot in Round 3. It wasn't that hard of a shot, yet Wilder never regained his equilibrium for the rest of the fight. Wilder has a strong beard, as he got up after being knocked down by heavy hands Luis Ortiz. So, a shot like that from Fury shouldn't have made him punch-drunk for the rest of the night. But your eardrum controls much of your equilibrium, so once that was gone, Wilder was on rubber legs and a foggy mind for the rest of the night.

Fury was better, period. He creased Wilder with that body shot that dropped him in the fifth, an example of Fury's much more aggressive body punching during this fight.

Make no mistake about it: Tyson Fury is the best heavyweight in the world. But I still think Wilder is No. 2. That atomic right hand can put anyone to sleep in a hurry. Anthony Joshua can't be placed above either of these guys because he lost to a fat f*ck named Andy Ruiz, exposing his glass jaw.

Fury-Joshua will do massive box office in the UK, with 80,000 packed into Wembley. That would be a fun fight. It also would be boring as hell, as both huge men would spend most of the night dancing around each other. Or Joshua would run all night if Fury tried to get aggressive with him as he did last night with Wilder.

Hell, let's roll Fury-Wilder back one more time. I wouldn't mind. They're still the two best heavies in the world.
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PK, this smells a lot like the Mayweather vs Pacman foreplay dance. I don't see it happening even with the talk that AJ now wants to fight Fury.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/51611934

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Rodster wrote:PK, this smells a lot like the Mayweather vs Pacman foreplay dance. I don't see it happening even with the talk that AJ now wants to fight Fury.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/51611934
Disagree. There's too much money to be made, especially in the UK. Probably won't happen until December of this year or early next year, though.

Mayweather was so concerned about losing his "0" -- his only selling card with the public -- that he marinated the Pacquiao fight until Pacman's skills were diminished. Fury doesn't need to do that. He should be able to beat Joshua now, fairly easily.

Plus I don't think Fury gives nearly as much of a f*ck about his "0" as Mayweather. The Gypsy King still will be big box office, big charisma and one of the top three heavies in the world even if he loses to Joshua. But I also don't see AJ beating Fury.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!
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I like reading behind the scenes stories like these. It gives insight what an up and coming boxer needs to do to prove himself. I’m sure not every boxer takes this road to stardom.

https://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/1 ... atmosphere

I would love to have seen a mature Alvarez vs a Mayweather fight. It’s a shame Alvarez fought him too early in his career.

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Excellent find, Rod! Thanks for the link.

Yeah, I wonder about a prime Canelo against Mayweather, too. I still think Money wins, but it's a much tougher fight. Canelo's defense has improved dramatically since that fight, and his fundamentals are SO sound. He also is faster. Still, I think Mayweather's sizable advantages in defense and speed would prevail.

One thing I notice about Canelo in that picture is his sturdy build. I'm assuming his sparring partner also is at 168. Look at the difference in their physiques: The sparring partner has the long, lean, sinewy build of a boxer; Canelo is compact and powerful like an Olympic wrestler. I don't think anyone is going to beat Canelo with a body attack.
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pk500 wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:39 am
Canelo's defense has improved dramatically since that fight, and his fundamentals are SO sound. He also is faster.
I like the quote from his sparring partner. Canelo knows what you are going to do before you do it.

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