OT: Live Earth

[JRod]

MY POINT JACKDOG,

Was this was the work of his consultant.

Somehow they singlehandedly changed the use of global warming into climate change. Before Bush took office it was global warming not its climate change.

I'm not talking about Bush or Gore for god's f'n sake.

f*** this is just about how Bush and his team has changed a few words around to make them less scary.

[BigAl]

go "f*ck off" yourself.

Hugs, not Drugs

[JackB1]

that's true JRod.

Washington issued a statement about 3-4 month's ago that everyone was to call global warming "climate change" from now on. They felt that the public was being alarmed too much by the former name.

[JackB1]

Im just wondering if you realy believe in what your saying or if you just wanted to put out a NIIIIICE thread and trying to be popular.

No i dont give a s*** , so when you say we all should ,im saying not all just those who care perhaps.

I cant ignore people telling me i should be doing something i dont wanna do.

No biggie jack, realy i was just putting some opposition realy ,being a dick , but it doesnt change what i felt your intent was with the thread.

Im on my way to buy a Prius.

I agree that saying "we all should...." sounded too "preachy". I went back and edited the thread. I really didn't like the way you just jumped at me with profanity. And to answer your question....no, I wasn't trying to post a "nice thread to be popular". I truly am concerned with the well being of our planet and was just trying to do a little good. I guess doing it here was my mistake. I will take my cause elsewhere and do what I can personally.

[dbdynsty25]

I see you have come back gayer than ever!

[pk500]

go "f*ck off" yourself.

Hugs, not Drugs

I prefer both. Any order.

Take care,
PK

[ScoopBrady]

I agree with George Carlin when it comes to the environment.

[Jackdog]

MY POINT JACKDOG,

Was this was the work of his consultant.

Somehow they singlehandedly changed the use of global warming into climate change. Before Bush took office it was global warming not its climate change.

I'm not talking about Bush or Gore for god's f'n sake.

f*** this is just about how Bush and his team has changed a few words around to make them less scary.

OK. But you did post this right?

Science may have used these two terms but until Bush took office everyone used global warming. His consultant Frank Luntz advised the White House to use the term this would change the seriousness of the threat and take some heat off of Bush. This f*** is responsible for things like Healthy Forests to allow for logging, No Child Left Behind for his unfunded mandate on public schools that test mediocrity and a few others.

It was Luntz and the White House that singlehandedly changed the public (mostly media) saying global warming into climate change.

Hell,you went from climate change to forest and logging to no child left behind for God's f'n sake. That's all Bush right?

AND I RESPONDED TO THAT JROD.

Anyhow relax Rod. I really could give two shits about what this White House, or any other politician or celebrity has to say about the climate change. It is what it is. I recall talk of a new Ice Age in the 70's. That didn't pan out for the doomsday crowd.

So. I'll continue to read things and form my own opinions. I act on it as I see fit. I don't give a f*** what they call it. I know if it's 50 degrees in my neck of the woods come Febuary, I might turn off some lights and cut back on farting after a good meal. Maybe I can snowboard come June. Hell I don't know.

I do know if you yell at me again I'll look your ass up and put my one good foot in it.

[Macca00]

I don't know bro. Bush can make hurricanes that only hit black folks. That's power.

ROFL I love it!


JackB1,

I didn't think you were being preachy.

Macca
(Al Gore may have a big house but I'd bet most of his energy usage in the past year has come from leaving the fridge door open)

[XXXIV]

BDitty:

Welcome back, dude! But I didn't say that or even acknowledge you, since you're still banned.

Take care,
PK

Im in on some of that action...

[XXXIV]

I see you have come back gayer than ever!

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

[spooky157]

Man....Sting can't hit those high notes anymore and the Police sounded pretty bad in general. I guess it is true what I've been reading about that Police reunion tour not being very good.

On the other hand, the Beasties sounded great. I can't wait to check them out later this month when they play Brooklyn. NO SLEEP TILL....

[Jackdog]

that's true JRod.

Washington issued a statement about 3-4 month's ago that everyone was to call global warming "climate change" from now on. They felt that the public was being alarmed too much by the former name.

Eveyone like who Jack? The press? Gore? If so, when the hell have they listened to this White House? Are we living in an American Gulog now?

f*** it. I didn't get the statement. So after upholding and protecting the consititution for 22 years, I'll call it what I want. I assume you will as well.

To be honest "Global Warming" really didn't give me the piss shivers. If the public was alarmed by that we have a lot more to worry about than I thought.

Hell,the media is making a big deal about the heat wave in Arizona. Hello!! It's July. It's always hotter than Satan's ass in Arizona in July. I lived in Mesa and Chandler in the late 80's early 90's and it was about 112 and sunny every damn day until December. Nothing new there.

Media and politicians,that's what we all should be worried getting correct.

[itsmebd]

I see you have come back gayer than ever!

The lesbian porn that I am downloading disagrees with.... Okay, maybe I am a lesbian trapped with in a mans body.



Oh and Jack, don't worry about what to call it (Global Warming, Climate Change) just give it a few months and someone will dredge up some UberPC term because the baby Earth cries at such crude, cold terminology.


I vote for Ozone Challenged or Gastronomically Gifted.

[Jared]

Oh, his roof has solar panels. How lovely. Did he have them in the 80s and 90s when he first started pimping the environment? Or have they been recently installed since people started paying attention to his environmental crusade since "An Inconvenient Truth?"

How long has he purchased his power through Green Power Switch? Is that a longtime gig, or just recently? Does Al tool around the country in a hybrid? Does he he use bio-fuel exclusively?

I don't know these things (except that he does drive a hybrid). If he, for instance, is driving a gas guzzling Hummer everywhere, then that is hypocritical. But is he? If you're going to accuse Gore of being a megalomaniac or a hypocrite, then you should have the evidence to back it up. Otherwise it's all just a bunch of emotional assertions where you're placing motivations on someone based on your own conjecture, not evidence.

If the environment is SO important to Al, then why didn't he make it the centerpiece of his 2000 presidential campaign? Because green issues weren't "hot" then, and he would have been painted as a Green Party freak by the more centrist elements of the Democratic Party and been all-but unelectable.

It just cracks me up when people paint Al Gore as this altruistic Father Earth, the man who puts nature ahead of everything. Al will pimp saving the planet if it benefits him politically. If that's not the case, then again, why didn't Al put the environment front and center as the major plank of his campaign in 2000?

First, in 1992, right before becoming VP, he wrote Earth in the Balance, a book on environmental issues where he stated "We must make the rescue of the environment the central organizing principle for civilization." Clearly, his concern for environmental issues well predates the last few years. As for his campaign, I'm pretty sure the environment was a key part of his platform, along with issues such as education, foreign affairs, the economy, health care, etc. These were all important things that he ran on...but when you're running for president, it's not smart to run on just one issue, or else you'll be pegged as a one-issue candidate.

It's clear that Gore has been a big advocate of the environment since the 90s (and even before), way before the environment and global warming were big issues as they are now (and without getting major political capital for it). The difference is that he's out of office now and can afford to focus on one major issue...and that's the environment.

[Jared]

First BD, if you had asked to be unbanned, I would have dropped the ban. But you didn't, so I have to ban you again. Again, this won't be an IP ban, so you'll be free to continue to browse the forums. In the future, if you want to be unbanned, just send me an e-mail.

And to address your point, yes, Al Gore has a big house. His house is his office, his wife's office, his primary residence and he's the former vice president of the United States. Since it's his office and home, his house will use more energy than the average house in Nashville. And knowing this, he has chosen to use renewable energy sources for that house, paying a premium for it. He drives a hybrid. And he does various things to minimize his environmental impact, while still being able to do his job. But unless he's living in a cave, he'll be criticized because some people don't like him or his message. Hey, it's a lot easier to attack his perceived personality or create fake scandals than to attack his actual message.

[XXXIV]

I think bd is just too shy...

[Jackdog]

Oh, his roof has solar panels. How lovely. Did he have them in the 80s and 90s when he first started pimping the environment? Or have they been recently installed since people started paying attention to his environmental crusade since "An Inconvenient Truth?"

How long has he purchased his power through Green Power Switch? Is that a longtime gig, or just recently? Does Al tool around the country in a hybrid? Does he he use bio-fuel exclusively?

I don't know these things (except that he does drive a hybrid). If he, for instance, is driving a gas guzzling Hummer everywhere, then that is hypocritical. But is he? If you're going to accuse Gore of being a megalomaniac or a hypocrite, then you should have the evidence to back it up. Otherwise it's all just a bunch of emotional assertions where you're placing motivations on someone based on your own conjecture, not evidence.

If the environment is SO important to Al, then why didn't he make it the centerpiece of his 2000 presidential campaign? Because green issues weren't "hot" then, and he would have been painted as a Green Party freak by the more centrist elements of the Democratic Party and been all-but unelectable.

It just cracks me up when people paint Al Gore as this altruistic Father Earth, the man who puts nature ahead of everything. Al will pimp saving the planet if it benefits him politically. If that's not the case, then again, why didn't Al put the environment front and center as the major plank of his campaign in 2000?

First, in 1992, right before becoming VP, he wrote Earth in the Balance, a book on environmental issues where he stated "We must make the rescue of the environment the central organizing principle for civilization." Clearly, his concern for environmental issues well predates the last few years. As for his campaign, I'm pretty sure the environment was a key part of his platform, along with issues such as education, foreign affairs, the economy, health care, etc. These were all important things that he ran on...but when you're running for president, it's not smart to run on just one issue, or else you'll be pegged as a one-issue candidate.

It's clear that Gore has been a big advocate of the environment since the 90s (and even before), way before the environment and global warming were big issues as they are now (and without getting major political capital for it). The difference is that he's out of office now and can afford to focus on one major issue...and that's the environment.

I am not PK,but I find it odd that a man that is such a big advocate of the environment waited until 2006/2007 to make energy saving renovations his own house. He a public figure with a big mouth on the subject. What took this "Earth man" so long? Public outcry is what moved him to act. Not the love for mother earth. He is a hyprocrite.

By the way,I worked for Harold Ford during his Senete run last year. I was in Nashville a lot and learned more about Gore and his family than I wanted frankly. The jokes among Ford's staff about Gore ranged from his son driving an Escalade until 05 to Gore himself having several SUV"s until his movie came out. I didn't see it myself but Gore wasn't running aginst Ford for anything and they are both Dem's. I don't think it was bullshit.


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/n ... use10.html

Sunday, June 10, 2007

Gore home gets "green" upgrade

By Erik Schelzig

The Associated Press



PAUL J. LEVY / AP

Solar panels on the roof of Al Gore's Nashville home.



NASHVILLE, Tenn. — Al Gore, the environmental activist stung by criticism over his home's energy efficiency, says renovations are nearly complete to make it a model "green" home.

"This plan has been in the works for a long time," the former vice president said Friday. "The only thing that has changed is that we're more public about it because of the misleading attack by a global-warming denier group."

Earlier this year, a conservative group criticized Gore, citing electric bills that were far more than the typical Nashville home. Utility records showed the Gore family paid an average monthly electric bill of about $1,200 last year for its 10,000-square-foot home.

Gore's renovation project, which he said has been in the works for months, seeks to meet the Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design, or LEED, standards established by the U.S. Green Building Council.

Once his upscale neighborhood changed zoning laws earlier this year, Gore was able to place solar panels on his roof, and he's preparing to install a geothermal system that will, among other things, drastically reduce the cost of heating his pool.

Gore also is upgrading windows and ductwork, installing more energy-efficient light bulbs and creating a rainwater-collection system for irrigation and water management.

The home houses offices for Gore and his wife, Tipper, and a commercial kitchen for formal events.

Drew Johnson, president of the Tennessee Center for Policy Research, the group that initially criticized Gore, said the "renovations are obviously in direct response to our finding that he's a hypocrite on the issue of global warming."

[Blublub]

that's true JRod.

Washington issued a statement about 3-4 month's ago that everyone was to call global warming "climate change" from now on. They felt that the public was being alarmed too much by the former name.

I stand corrected JRod. Still, nothing beats the Administration' prohibition on federal government workers talking about polar bears

FWIW, I did actually attend a conference with Gore about fifteen years ago (his post-"Earth in the Balance" period but pre-VP), and was absolutely shocked by the way he ordered staff around and generally carried himself like a self-appointed king of the world. I know he's been humbled a little since then, but he definitely left the impression of a first-class @#$%&.

[pk500]

I don't know these things (except that he does drive a hybrid). If he, for instance, is driving a gas guzzling Hummer everywhere, then that is hypocritical. But is he? If you're going to accuse Gore of being a megalomaniac or a hypocrite, then you should have the evidence to back it up. Otherwise it's all just a bunch of emotional assertions where you're placing motivations on someone based on your own conjecture, not evidence.

So, did Al have the solar panels and use alternative energy in the Nashville mansion in 1992 when he wrote "Earth in the Balance?" Or has it become convenient for him to make his house "green" since he lost the 2001 election and the environment became his primary pet project?

As for the claim that working at home accounts for the excessive energy usage at home, that's HORSESH*T. I have worked from home since 1994, and my energy usage isn't that much higher than a person who works in a traditional office.

So Al and Tipper have a few extra fax machines, PC's and phones hooked up? That accounts for such excessive energy usage, 221,000 kilowatts in 2006, 20 TIMES the national average? Gore's average electric bill in 2006 was $1,359. His average monthly natural gas bill was $1,080. Sure, Al's house is bigger than most. But at 10,000 square feet, it is NOT 20 times bigger than the average American home.

Take it from someone who has worked in a home office a hell of a lot longer than Al: That's ridiculous.

As for the megalomania claims, just watch "An Inconvenient Truth." It's a "documentary" that is little more than the filming of a Gore lecture about the environment. It's all about Al, the environmental gospel according to Al. How many other scientists are interviewed? How many global warming detractors are interviewed?

Christ, look at the direct promotional quote from the film's official Web site:

"From director Davis Guggenheim comes the Sundance Film Festival hit, AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH, which offers a passionate and inspirational look at one man's fervent crusade to halt global warming's deadly progress in its tracks by exposing the myths and misconceptions that surround it. That man is former Vice President Al Gore, who, in the wake of defeat in the 2000 election, re-set the course of his life to focus on a last-ditch, all-out effort to help save the planet from irrevocable change. In this eye-opening and poignant portrait of Gore and his "traveling global warming show," Gore also proves himself to be one of the most misunderstood characters in modern American public life. Here he is seen as never before in the media - funny, engaging, open and downright on fire about getting the surprisingly stirring truth about what he calls our "planetary emergency" out to ordinary citizens before it's too late."

"One man's fervent crusade" ... "re-set the course of his life to focus on a last-ditch, all-out effort to help save the planet" ... "eye-opening and poignant portrait of Gore and his traveling global warming show."

Yep, "An Inconvenient Truth" isn't about Al at all. It's about the planet.

Even Sir Bob Geldof, who organized Live Aid, thinks Gore is a fraud. Said Geldof: "Why is [Gore] actually organizing them? To make us aware of the greenhouse effect? ... We are all [expletive] conscious of global warming."

And Arctic Monkeys drummer Matt Helders has a lot of perspective for a young man. "It's a bit patronizing for us 21 year olds to try to start to change the world," drummer Matt Helders said. "Especially when we're using enough power for 10 houses just for (stage) lighting. It'd be a bit hypocritical."

Don't cha think?

Take care,
PK

[Blublub]

As for the megalomania claims, just watch "An Inconvenient Truth." It's a "documentary" that is little more than the filming of a Gore lecture about the environment. It's all about Al, the environmental gospel according to Al. How many other scientists are interviewed? How many global warming detractors are interviewed?...

"One man's fervent crusade" ... "re-set the course of his life to focus on a last-ditch, all-out effort to help save the planet" ... "eye-opening and poignant portrait of Gore and his traveling global warming show."

Yep, "An Inconvenient Truth" isn't about Al at all. It's about the planet.

I'm with you PK. I had hoped that the message of Gore's road show (which is fundamentally sound) might be the focus of "AIT," but it was really just an aside. Regardless of how you feel about Gore, all the pensive moments on trains and "one man's struggle" bits took self-promotion to ridiculous new heights.

[ProvoAnC]

Al Gore makes baby Jesus cry

[Jared]

No, it doesn't look like Gore had solar panels back in 1992. And it seems like he is using some natural gas. Obviously, from that, he is clearly a hypocrite that hates the planet.

And yes, his home uses more electricity than the average home. However, his home is much larger than the average home, and probably has more energy needs than the average home. I am not in the place to judge whether his energy needs are excessive or not (I have no idea if people work in his house, how much things costs, etc.) But his electricity is bought from renewable resources, and his natural gas use is offset by carbon credits. I don't know how you or others can claim he's a hypocrite when he is doing these things.

As for the megalomania, I saw him answer questions after a showing of his movie. He didn't come across as a megalomaniac, or anything like that. Instead, he came off as sincere and heartfelt. But that's just my opinion, and I could be completely and utterly wrong. I just don't think that the evidence (that he recently installed solar panels and that some of his house uses natural gas) points to him being a hypocrite or a megalomaniac. But since neither of us know the man, we could both be horribly wrong.

No wait. You probably drive a gas-guzzling tractor through the wilds of upstate NY, with aerosol cans on the side and a bumper-sticker "Earth Raper" on the back. So you are clearly, clearly wrong.

[pk500]

And yes, his home uses more electricity than the average home. However, his home is much larger than the average home, and probably has more energy needs than the average home.

Again, 20 TIMES that of the average home? His house is not 20 times larger than the average home.

Those numbers don't lie.

And please stop tossing around "carbon credits" like they're some free pass to use all the energy you can buy. Just another loophole for the upper class, which seems to betray everything that "regular guy" Al Gore stands for.

Plus there already are reports of abuses in the carbon trading market. Carbon credits have become a financial commodity and are subject to the same abuses as any commodity, probably even moreso since they're so "chic" right now:

http://environment.guardian.co.uk/clima ... 95,00.html

http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,2093816,00.html

Even The Economist, which isn't exactly a right-wing rag, thinks Al is full of sh*t:

http://www.economist.com/debate/freeexc ... for_al.cfm

And as BD pointed out, the company that receives Gore's payments for carbon credits is partially owned by, you guessed it, Al Gore. The company is Generation Investment Management, based in London.

So in reality, Al isn't buying carbon credits to offset the huge energy usage of his home, his flights on corporate jets or his rides in limos. He's buying stock in a company that he owns and will make him even more rich.

Sorry, but that's the "inconvenient truth."

Take care,
PK

[greggsand]

I love how Gore is so polarizing. You go brother! Probably, the only dude more polarizing than Kobe. I love it.